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Not meeting ACTOR. Has only held bit parts such as "Republican #1" or "coach driver". Nothing found in Google that shows they've had anything more than minor roles.
Oaktree b (
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15:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Have added some more detail to back up this claim. Denis is an established award winning actor in Irish Theatre and nominated for an IFTA alongside a reputable list of actors including Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Michael Gambon and Don Wycherley.
Sissco (
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16:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please read
WP:BASIC and
WP:NACTOR. And reframe your recommendation/argument on the basis of those policies. (Otherwise, being "in the company of" other/notable actors doesn't make one notable. Notability isn't inherited, transferrable or automatic.) Also consider reading
MOS:SURNAME.
Guliolopez (
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17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak delete. Happy to be swayed, but a search in
the Irish Times areturns little to no coverage of the subject as a primary topic. A search of the Irish Independent returns a few things. Like
this or
this interview - but the latter in particular isn't independent of the subject and so not ideal for a notability claim. A
search in the Irish Examiner returns only one piece of material coverage - which is the same sole news piece we find in the article itself. A
search of the Irish Film and Television Network site (which covers even ROTM events in Irish film and TV industry) doesn't return much more than passing mentions (in each case the results are about planned or completed projects and the subject is mentioned, mostly in passing, alongside other jobbing actors/cast/etc.) The IFTA nom and the Irish Times Theatre Awards wouldn't seem to contribute much to the "well-known and significant award or honor" criteria under
WP:ANYBIO. That many of the roles listed are "Man #1" or "Detective #2" or "[Unnamed] Coach Driver" doesn't help with the "*significant* roles in multiple notable films" element of
WP:NACTOR. While not cut-and-dried, I'm not seeing enough to definitely show that
WP:GNG/
WP:SIGCOV is met.
Guliolopez (
talk)
17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I'll continue to add career details to support this claim. His main body of work is in Theatre. I take the point about minor roles, but these are included as examples of roles at an early stage in his career. Later work, including Aisha, the Running Mate and his portrayal of Brian Cowen are, I would argue, notable.
I disagree with your assertion that the IFTA nom and Irish Times Theatre Awards are not significant awards. Whilst perhaps not significant in an international context these are the premier awards for Irish actors.
This is all that the Guardian article says about him: "...Chris Walley as her hapless brother and Denis Conway as Padraic’s dad all give good support." That's it. I don't see how that can be "notable" - is there another review of that piece that says more?
Lamona (
talk)
04:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep per awards, long list of TV, stage and cinema participation. Not a Hollywood star and the References section is not great, however the actor's notability is apparent.
Mozzcircuit (
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11:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)reply
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Not meeting ACTOR. Has only held bit parts such as "Republican #1" or "coach driver". Nothing found in Google that shows they've had anything more than minor roles.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Have added some more detail to back up this claim. Denis is an established award winning actor in Irish Theatre and nominated for an IFTA alongside a reputable list of actors including Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Michael Gambon and Don Wycherley.
Sissco (
talk)
16:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please read
WP:BASIC and
WP:NACTOR. And reframe your recommendation/argument on the basis of those policies. (Otherwise, being "in the company of" other/notable actors doesn't make one notable. Notability isn't inherited, transferrable or automatic.) Also consider reading
MOS:SURNAME.
Guliolopez (
talk)
17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak delete. Happy to be swayed, but a search in
the Irish Times areturns little to no coverage of the subject as a primary topic. A search of the Irish Independent returns a few things. Like
this or
this interview - but the latter in particular isn't independent of the subject and so not ideal for a notability claim. A
search in the Irish Examiner returns only one piece of material coverage - which is the same sole news piece we find in the article itself. A
search of the Irish Film and Television Network site (which covers even ROTM events in Irish film and TV industry) doesn't return much more than passing mentions (in each case the results are about planned or completed projects and the subject is mentioned, mostly in passing, alongside other jobbing actors/cast/etc.) The IFTA nom and the Irish Times Theatre Awards wouldn't seem to contribute much to the "well-known and significant award or honor" criteria under
WP:ANYBIO. That many of the roles listed are "Man #1" or "Detective #2" or "[Unnamed] Coach Driver" doesn't help with the "*significant* roles in multiple notable films" element of
WP:NACTOR. While not cut-and-dried, I'm not seeing enough to definitely show that
WP:GNG/
WP:SIGCOV is met.
Guliolopez (
talk)
17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I'll continue to add career details to support this claim. His main body of work is in Theatre. I take the point about minor roles, but these are included as examples of roles at an early stage in his career. Later work, including Aisha, the Running Mate and his portrayal of Brian Cowen are, I would argue, notable.
I disagree with your assertion that the IFTA nom and Irish Times Theatre Awards are not significant awards. Whilst perhaps not significant in an international context these are the premier awards for Irish actors.
This is all that the Guardian article says about him: "...Chris Walley as her hapless brother and Denis Conway as Padraic’s dad all give good support." That's it. I don't see how that can be "notable" - is there another review of that piece that says more?
Lamona (
talk)
04:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep per awards, long list of TV, stage and cinema participation. Not a Hollywood star and the References section is not great, however the actor's notability is apparent.
Mozzcircuit (
talk)
11:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)reply
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