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Sources do not show anything significant or remarkable that would satisfy
WP:NBUILD or
WP:GNG, not even the Wikipedia references which violate
WP:CIRCULAR. Additionally, I found no significant coverage in a search for additional sources – single-sentence mentions at best. Complex/Rational16:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. Dene Park is one of a number of manision houses in the area including Oxenhoath and Fairlawnes. It is cited or referred to in a number of other articles as “a house near Tonbridge” including the Thomas Delarue school and the 44th Infatry brigade as their battle school. This article give clarity to these articles as well as linking the site of the battle school to Thomas Delarue school which would otherwise be ambiguous. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Photowizzard (
talk •
contribs)
16:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge or Redirect to
John Hollams per
WP:ATD. Not finding any significant coverage on the structure, but some of the content could be reasonably included in the article on John Hollams provided we can find sources other than wikipedia itself to verify the content.
4meter4 (
talk)
18:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep it does have an entry in the Woodland Trust for the woodland and I'd expect the building/estate would have more coverage in offline sources, see
this] source for example though it may not be reliable. The
Lodge] is also a grade II listed building. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
08:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment The artice needs improvement (not a reason for deletion). A search of "The Times" for the term "Dene Park" omitting the term "Jesmond" (there is a Jesmond Dene Park in Newcastle upon Tyne) turns up 101 instances between 1878 and 1999. I've not had a look at what UK local newspapers will show up yet. As a substantial building comparable in size to
Fairlawne House,
Oxenhoath,
Hamptons House,
Douce's Manor and
Yotes Court, it should be capable of sustaining an article. Possibly this should be moved either to Draftspace or I would be willing to host it at
User:Mjroots/Dene Park whilst it is improved.
Mjroots (
talk)
08:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - I've done a bit of expansion and referencing, and added an infobox. Others have also added to the article. A request has been made to the article's creator for more references. As needing improvement is not a reason to delete, we should keep the article.
Mjroots (
talk)
05:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep - as Hassocks said, it's not listed. Nor does it get a mention in Girouard's Victorian Country House. But, again per Hassocks, the revised West Kent Pevsner does give a little - the architect's name is Miller, not Millar - on pp281-2, where it is described as a "substantial Victorian mansion in a
WaterhousianTudor Gothic." I would have thought the Milner garden would throw something up, but can't see anything. A later Hollams, of Dene Park, was
High Sheriff of Kent in 1917.
KJP1 (
talk)
11:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The sourcing is improved, and there's a movement towards keeping the article, but as yet no one has made the case that a notability guideline is actually met. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
XymmaxSo let it be writtenSo let it be done16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Sources do not show anything significant or remarkable that would satisfy
WP:NBUILD or
WP:GNG, not even the Wikipedia references which violate
WP:CIRCULAR. Additionally, I found no significant coverage in a search for additional sources – single-sentence mentions at best. Complex/Rational16:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. Dene Park is one of a number of manision houses in the area including Oxenhoath and Fairlawnes. It is cited or referred to in a number of other articles as “a house near Tonbridge” including the Thomas Delarue school and the 44th Infatry brigade as their battle school. This article give clarity to these articles as well as linking the site of the battle school to Thomas Delarue school which would otherwise be ambiguous. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Photowizzard (
talk •
contribs)
16:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge or Redirect to
John Hollams per
WP:ATD. Not finding any significant coverage on the structure, but some of the content could be reasonably included in the article on John Hollams provided we can find sources other than wikipedia itself to verify the content.
4meter4 (
talk)
18:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep it does have an entry in the Woodland Trust for the woodland and I'd expect the building/estate would have more coverage in offline sources, see
this] source for example though it may not be reliable. The
Lodge] is also a grade II listed building. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
08:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment The artice needs improvement (not a reason for deletion). A search of "The Times" for the term "Dene Park" omitting the term "Jesmond" (there is a Jesmond Dene Park in Newcastle upon Tyne) turns up 101 instances between 1878 and 1999. I've not had a look at what UK local newspapers will show up yet. As a substantial building comparable in size to
Fairlawne House,
Oxenhoath,
Hamptons House,
Douce's Manor and
Yotes Court, it should be capable of sustaining an article. Possibly this should be moved either to Draftspace or I would be willing to host it at
User:Mjroots/Dene Park whilst it is improved.
Mjroots (
talk)
08:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep - I've done a bit of expansion and referencing, and added an infobox. Others have also added to the article. A request has been made to the article's creator for more references. As needing improvement is not a reason to delete, we should keep the article.
Mjroots (
talk)
05:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep - as Hassocks said, it's not listed. Nor does it get a mention in Girouard's Victorian Country House. But, again per Hassocks, the revised West Kent Pevsner does give a little - the architect's name is Miller, not Millar - on pp281-2, where it is described as a "substantial Victorian mansion in a
WaterhousianTudor Gothic." I would have thought the Milner garden would throw something up, but can't see anything. A later Hollams, of Dene Park, was
High Sheriff of Kent in 1917.
KJP1 (
talk)
11:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The sourcing is improved, and there's a movement towards keeping the article, but as yet no one has made the case that a notability guideline is actually met. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
XymmaxSo let it be writtenSo let it be done16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.