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The result was delete. TonyBallioni ( talk) 21:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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WP:BLP of a politician, not
properly sourced as passing
WP:NPOL. The basis for creation here was that she was recently announced as her party's candidate in an upcoming provincial legislature by-election -- but the notability test at that level is holding a seat in the legislature, not just running for one, and as yet unelected candidates get articles only if they already had preexisting notability for other reasons independent of the candidacy. But the only other attempted notability claim here is that she has served on the municipal council of a midsized city that is not in the rarefied tier of internationally prominent
global cities, which is also not "inherently" notable either — even incumbent city councillors in most cities get articles only if they can mount a credible claim that their time on city council was a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors, but that hasn't been shown here at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation after by-election day if she wins the seat, but nothing here is already enough to already earn her a Wikipedia article now.
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- Delete WP:NPOL requires state or municipal-level electoral wins. This is only local level. BrigadierG ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR also need to be considered despite the article's focus on only her political campaigning. Google Scholar results do not show enough citations for WP:PROF. I did find one authored book, The Struggle for Mexico: State Corporatism and Popular Opposition (2012) and one co-edited volume (The Global Citizenship Nexus: Critical Studies). But I didn't find any reviews, and in any case only one authored book is not usually enough for WP:AUTHOR, so I don't see a pass there either. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete Checking WP:NAUTHOR was my first thought too, but there's no reviews for either of her books ( One passing mention from her own university newsletter). No translations for either of them so no other languages to check. And fails WP:NPROF and WP:NPOL per above. :3 F4U ( they /it) 17:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NPOL Provincial riding and its candidates are notable. Provincial riding is being widely watched due to its previous bellwether characteristic and emerging shift of voting patterns. Douzevelos ( talk) 18:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC) — Douzevelos ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Wikipedia's notability criteria determine what is or isn't notable, and Wikipedia's notability criteria do not grant people articles just for being candidates in elections they haven't won yet. Bearcat ( talk) 14:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NPOL Enough coverage in municipal news and media channels. WikiMeMaybe ( talk) 06:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC) — WikiMeMaybe ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Municipal news and media channels aren't sufficient. The notability bar in a provincial election is winning the election and thereby holding the seat, and people do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, and the merely expected amount of local campaign coverage during the election is not sufficient to make one candidate more special than other candidates who don't have articles. Bearcat ( talk) 14:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NPOL does not apply to this subject, as the subject was not elected to an "international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels." So, the question becomes, does the subject meet WP:GNG. In this case, I see nothing beyond some routine coverage and nothing that suggests the subject was any more notable than other, similarly-situated city councillors. No prejudice against recreation if the subject wins the by-election. -- Enos733 ( talk) 16:32, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete PROMO for her upcoming provincial candidacy. Being a member of a minor city's council isn't notable. Kitchener is a mid-sized Ontario city, much smaller than Toronto. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete unelected candidates are not inherently notable since the coverage they receive is generally routine - anyone decent in the race would get coverage, and this is clearly created in furtherance of her campaign. Fails WP:10YT. SportingFlyer T· C 00:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. TonyBallioni ( talk) 21:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Debbie Chapman
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WP:BLP of a politician, not
properly sourced as passing
WP:NPOL. The basis for creation here was that she was recently announced as her party's candidate in an upcoming provincial legislature by-election -- but the notability test at that level is holding a seat in the legislature, not just running for one, and as yet unelected candidates get articles only if they already had preexisting notability for other reasons independent of the candidacy. But the only other attempted notability claim here is that she has served on the municipal council of a midsized city that is not in the rarefied tier of internationally prominent
global cities, which is also not "inherently" notable either — even incumbent city councillors in most cities get articles only if they can mount a credible claim that their time on city council was a special case of significantly greater notability than most other city councillors, but that hasn't been shown here at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation after by-election day if she wins the seat, but nothing here is already enough to already earn her a Wikipedia article now.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 16:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete WP:NPOL requires state or municipal-level electoral wins. This is only local level. BrigadierG ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR also need to be considered despite the article's focus on only her political campaigning. Google Scholar results do not show enough citations for WP:PROF. I did find one authored book, The Struggle for Mexico: State Corporatism and Popular Opposition (2012) and one co-edited volume (The Global Citizenship Nexus: Critical Studies). But I didn't find any reviews, and in any case only one authored book is not usually enough for WP:AUTHOR, so I don't see a pass there either. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Checking WP:NAUTHOR was my first thought too, but there's no reviews for either of her books ( One passing mention from her own university newsletter). No translations for either of them so no other languages to check. And fails WP:NPROF and WP:NPOL per above. :3 F4U ( they /it) 17:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NPOL Provincial riding and its candidates are notable. Provincial riding is being widely watched due to its previous bellwether characteristic and emerging shift of voting patterns. Douzevelos ( talk) 18:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC) — Douzevelos ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Wikipedia's notability criteria determine what is or isn't notable, and Wikipedia's notability criteria do not grant people articles just for being candidates in elections they haven't won yet. Bearcat ( talk) 14:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NPOL Enough coverage in municipal news and media channels. WikiMeMaybe ( talk) 06:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC) — WikiMeMaybe ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Municipal news and media channels aren't sufficient. The notability bar in a provincial election is winning the election and thereby holding the seat, and people do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, and the merely expected amount of local campaign coverage during the election is not sufficient to make one candidate more special than other candidates who don't have articles. Bearcat ( talk) 14:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NPOL does not apply to this subject, as the subject was not elected to an "international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels." So, the question becomes, does the subject meet WP:GNG. In this case, I see nothing beyond some routine coverage and nothing that suggests the subject was any more notable than other, similarly-situated city councillors. No prejudice against recreation if the subject wins the by-election. -- Enos733 ( talk) 16:32, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete PROMO for her upcoming provincial candidacy. Being a member of a minor city's council isn't notable. Kitchener is a mid-sized Ontario city, much smaller than Toronto. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete unelected candidates are not inherently notable since the coverage they receive is generally routine - anyone decent in the race would get coverage, and this is clearly created in furtherance of her campaign. Fails WP:10YT. SportingFlyer T· C 00:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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