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The result was keep. North America 1000 07:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
David Walker (quarterback)
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Non notable college athlete. Poorly sourced, never played beyond college and does not meet the criteria for WP:NCOLLATH. WP:BEFORE shows very little other than primary sources or college newspaper coverage. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. Passes WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. Walker was the starting quarterback in 1973, 1974, 1976 and 1977 for a Power 5 program, Texas A&M. Compiled a 25-9 record as starting QB, led the team to bowl games in both years, and appeared in 44 games over four-year period. Typically, starting QBs at such programs receive lots of coverage. Examples in this case include: (1) Red Shirting Helped Walker, Associated Press, 1/2/77 (same article republished in multiple newspapers, e.g., here and this). See also (2) this, (3) this, (4) this, (5) this, (6) this., (7) this, and (8) this (rating him among top 10 QBs in Texas A&M history). Cbl62 ( talk) 07:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for clipping these sources so quickly. I’m still not convinced they are enough but will allow other editors to examine the sources and !vote based on that. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 07:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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Cardiffbear88: I added a few more sources above. You may want to consider withdrawing this ... or let it run its course ... up to you.
Cbl62 (
talk)
07:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- I won’t withdraw the nomination whilst the article is in the state it’s currently in. If other editors want to improve as per
WP:HEY then that would be beneficial.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
08:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remember that you also could improve the article ... that would be beneficial too. Also, the fact that an article needs improvement is not a basis for deleting. See
WP:IMPERFECT ("Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. . . . Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome.").
Cbl62 (
talk)
10:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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Cbl62
WP:IMPERFECT is not a free pass for unsourced BLPs to remain unsourced. This is why Wikipedia has a problem with reliability.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
12:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Your comments would have some validity except for the facts that: (1) this article is sourced, (2) Your AfD was not premised on BLP, and (3) you are simply straining for a new basis to delete rather than gracefully withdrawing the nom. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:47, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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Cbl62
WP:IMPERFECT is not a free pass for unsourced BLPs to remain unsourced. This is why Wikipedia has a problem with reliability.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
12:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remember that you also could improve the article ... that would be beneficial too. Also, the fact that an article needs improvement is not a basis for deleting. See
WP:IMPERFECT ("Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. . . . Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome.").
Cbl62 (
talk)
10:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- I won’t withdraw the nomination whilst the article is in the state it’s currently in. If other editors want to improve as per
WP:HEY then that would be beneficial.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
08:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Cardiffbear88: I added a few more sources above. You may want to consider withdrawing this ... or let it run its course ... up to you.
Cbl62 (
talk)
07:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 10:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as sources described here meet GNG. Good work. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 10:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep While I'm not 100% sold on all of the provided sources, (some are brief and some look rather interviewish) there are multiple high quality in-depth sources there. Clear GNG pass. Most major conference starting quarterbacks will pass GNG if they start most of a season. Hog Farm Bacon 14:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep in addition to WP:GNG, WP:BASIC from above, there is also WP:IMPACT to consider as the youngest starting college quarterback ever.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Additional coverage is available showing that the subject has general-purpose notability. BD2412 T 17:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl, et al. Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per all of the above. Olaf Kosinsky ( talk) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. North America 1000 07:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
David Walker (quarterback)
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Non notable college athlete. Poorly sourced, never played beyond college and does not meet the criteria for WP:NCOLLATH. WP:BEFORE shows very little other than primary sources or college newspaper coverage. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 06:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. Walker was the starting quarterback in 1973, 1974, 1976 and 1977 for a Power 5 program, Texas A&M. Compiled a 25-9 record as starting QB, led the team to bowl games in both years, and appeared in 44 games over four-year period. Typically, starting QBs at such programs receive lots of coverage. Examples in this case include: (1) Red Shirting Helped Walker, Associated Press, 1/2/77 (same article republished in multiple newspapers, e.g., here and this). See also (2) this, (3) this, (4) this, (5) this, (6) this., (7) this, and (8) this (rating him among top 10 QBs in Texas A&M history). Cbl62 ( talk) 07:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for clipping these sources so quickly. I’m still not convinced they are enough but will allow other editors to examine the sources and !vote based on that. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 07:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Cardiffbear88: I added a few more sources above. You may want to consider withdrawing this ... or let it run its course ... up to you.
Cbl62 (
talk)
07:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- I won’t withdraw the nomination whilst the article is in the state it’s currently in. If other editors want to improve as per
WP:HEY then that would be beneficial.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
08:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remember that you also could improve the article ... that would be beneficial too. Also, the fact that an article needs improvement is not a basis for deleting. See
WP:IMPERFECT ("Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. . . . Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome.").
Cbl62 (
talk)
10:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
-
Cbl62
WP:IMPERFECT is not a free pass for unsourced BLPs to remain unsourced. This is why Wikipedia has a problem with reliability.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
12:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Your comments would have some validity except for the facts that: (1) this article is sourced, (2) Your AfD was not premised on BLP, and (3) you are simply straining for a new basis to delete rather than gracefully withdrawing the nom. Cbl62 ( talk) 16:47, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
-
Cbl62
WP:IMPERFECT is not a free pass for unsourced BLPs to remain unsourced. This is why Wikipedia has a problem with reliability.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
12:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remember that you also could improve the article ... that would be beneficial too. Also, the fact that an article needs improvement is not a basis for deleting. See
WP:IMPERFECT ("Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. . . . Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome.").
Cbl62 (
talk)
10:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- I won’t withdraw the nomination whilst the article is in the state it’s currently in. If other editors want to improve as per
WP:HEY then that would be beneficial.
Cardiffbear88 (
talk)
08:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- @
Cardiffbear88: I added a few more sources above. You may want to consider withdrawing this ... or let it run its course ... up to you.
Cbl62 (
talk)
07:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 10:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as sources described here meet GNG. Good work. DiamondRemley39 ( talk) 10:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep While I'm not 100% sold on all of the provided sources, (some are brief and some look rather interviewish) there are multiple high quality in-depth sources there. Clear GNG pass. Most major conference starting quarterbacks will pass GNG if they start most of a season. Hog Farm Bacon 14:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep in addition to WP:GNG, WP:BASIC from above, there is also WP:IMPACT to consider as the youngest starting college quarterback ever.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Additional coverage is available showing that the subject has general-purpose notability. BD2412 T 17:52, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl, et al. Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per all of the above. Olaf Kosinsky ( talk) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.