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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
David M. Gersten
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Per WP:USCJN, state appellate judges are not inherently notable. BD2412 T 21:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. BD2412 T 21:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Florida. Shellwood ( talk) 22:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- BD2412, you nominated for deletion four articles regarding judges ( Juan Ramirez Jr.; Angel A. Cortiñas; David M. Gersten; Alan R. Schwartz), within the span of two minutes, with identical descriptions. Likewise, while you state in each that "state appellate judges are not inherently notable", you do not address why each individual judge is not notable; plenty of people are notable, even if not bestowed inherently by job title. With that in mind, and given that the AfD guidelines have a checklist of steps to carry out before nominating an article, what steps did you take to assess the notability of this particular judge before nominating the article for deletion? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 07:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Rather than copy-pasting one answer four times, I have answered with respect to all four at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan R. Schwartz. BD2412 T 18:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete He did write/co-author some study guides for Florida law in the early 2000's, and I found one interview. In the JSTOR search I find very short mentions of his writing, but most of that writing itself doesn't turn up in my searches so it must be in less-accessible legal sources. I did find: Dynamic Trial & Appellate Advocacy DAVID M. GERSTEN Family Advocate, Vol. 31, No. 2 (Fall 2008), pp. 41-43 (3 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/25806797. That's about it. Lamona ( talk) 03:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - as a totality, this judge passes my standards Bearian ( talk) 18:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
Bearian - I looked at your standards for attorneys and they are quite comprehensive. On these AFDs it would really help me if you could say which of the standards/points you see these folks as meeting. Thanks,
Lamona (
talk)
18:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- He served as a chief judge of an intermediate appellate court. Bearian ( talk) 19:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
Bearian - I looked at your standards for attorneys and they are quite comprehensive. On these AFDs it would really help me if you could say which of the standards/points you see these folks as meeting. Thanks,
Lamona (
talk)
18:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm ( talk) 05:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, have given a rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan R. Schwartz where extensive discussion is to be found. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
David M. Gersten
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Per WP:USCJN, state appellate judges are not inherently notable. BD2412 T 21:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. BD2412 T 21:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Florida. Shellwood ( talk) 22:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- BD2412, you nominated for deletion four articles regarding judges ( Juan Ramirez Jr.; Angel A. Cortiñas; David M. Gersten; Alan R. Schwartz), within the span of two minutes, with identical descriptions. Likewise, while you state in each that "state appellate judges are not inherently notable", you do not address why each individual judge is not notable; plenty of people are notable, even if not bestowed inherently by job title. With that in mind, and given that the AfD guidelines have a checklist of steps to carry out before nominating an article, what steps did you take to assess the notability of this particular judge before nominating the article for deletion? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 07:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Rather than copy-pasting one answer four times, I have answered with respect to all four at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan R. Schwartz. BD2412 T 18:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete He did write/co-author some study guides for Florida law in the early 2000's, and I found one interview. In the JSTOR search I find very short mentions of his writing, but most of that writing itself doesn't turn up in my searches so it must be in less-accessible legal sources. I did find: Dynamic Trial & Appellate Advocacy DAVID M. GERSTEN Family Advocate, Vol. 31, No. 2 (Fall 2008), pp. 41-43 (3 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/25806797. That's about it. Lamona ( talk) 03:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - as a totality, this judge passes my standards Bearian ( talk) 18:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
Bearian - I looked at your standards for attorneys and they are quite comprehensive. On these AFDs it would really help me if you could say which of the standards/points you see these folks as meeting. Thanks,
Lamona (
talk)
18:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- He served as a chief judge of an intermediate appellate court. Bearian ( talk) 19:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hi,
Bearian - I looked at your standards for attorneys and they are quite comprehensive. On these AFDs it would really help me if you could say which of the standards/points you see these folks as meeting. Thanks,
Lamona (
talk)
18:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm ( talk) 05:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, have given a rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan R. Schwartz where extensive discussion is to be found. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.