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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 20:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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PROD rationale was: Unable to verify the apparent Emmys win - searching the Emmy website for David Lynch only spits out famous director David Lynch, not a songwriter. No significant coverage located otherwise.
De-PROD'd with the argument that the guy's own website claims that he has won an Emmy, therefore the deletion is "not uncontroversial". I'm sorry, but there's a reason we don't take self-published sources at their word without backing evidence. De-PRODing an endorsed PROD because of an SPS claim with zero other sourcing is incredibly shoddy work and forcing an AfD here without any evidence of independent sourcing whatsoever is a waste of everyone's time. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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- You're omitting the part that I verified
Golden Reel wins. It's not clear that's enough to establish notability but it is at least evidence that the SPS is not all lies and so further discussion is merited. I did not interpret your statement as asserting the subject did not win an Emmy but that you could not find the evidence because of the other
David Lynch casts a longer shadow. Apologies if I misinterpreted. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, it's that the only results for the name "David Lynch" on the Emmy's site were for the filmmaker. The Golden Reel wins are meaningless given the absence of coverage about his winning of them;
WP:NBASIC requires significant coverage in multiple sources. If an award falls in a forest and not a single media outlet reports the sound, it contributes nothing to a claim of notability. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
20:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, the
Golden Reels awards are coming up under "D. L. Lynch". We do have topic-specific notability criterion that presumes notability for winners of certain prestigious awards. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- That the Golden Reel Awards for Sound Editing are recorded on Wikipedia (as part of a larger article, mind you, not even their own) is not prima facie evidence that they are "a well-known and significant award or honor". If there is minimal significant coverage of people winning a given type of award, it is an indication that they are in fact not particularly culturally significant. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, the
Golden Reels awards are coming up under "D. L. Lynch". We do have topic-specific notability criterion that presumes notability for winners of certain prestigious awards. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, it's that the only results for the name "David Lynch" on the Emmy's site were for the filmmaker. The Golden Reel wins are meaningless given the absence of coverage about his winning of them;
WP:NBASIC requires significant coverage in multiple sources. If an award falls in a forest and not a single media outlet reports the sound, it contributes nothing to a claim of notability. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
20:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, no proof of the Emmy win exists, and the Golden Reel does not appear to be a significant award. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, real hard to verify this as the other David Lynch also has several Emmys. If someone can find proof of the Emmys, I will change my vote. Zeddedm ( talk) 02:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As near as I can tell, the Emmy was not given specifically to him but, rather, to the team of people who worked on a show that won an Emmy for post-production audio. That's likely why it's hard to verify...because one has to look deep into the credits of the list of people who worked in the audio recording department for the show. Also, it's a technical award, one of many given at both national and regional chapter levels. It's not an award that would indicate he is notable musician, or sound engineer for that matter. And because of this lack of individual recognition, there are no RS's to earn a keep. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - No evidence of notability found. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The whole rigmarole is most probably due to the confusion between this Lynch and the other one, the film maker. Notability monitor for this person shows a flat line. - The Gnome ( talk) 09:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 20:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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- David Lynch (songwriter) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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PROD rationale was: Unable to verify the apparent Emmys win - searching the Emmy website for David Lynch only spits out famous director David Lynch, not a songwriter. No significant coverage located otherwise.
De-PROD'd with the argument that the guy's own website claims that he has won an Emmy, therefore the deletion is "not uncontroversial". I'm sorry, but there's a reason we don't take self-published sources at their word without backing evidence. De-PRODing an endorsed PROD because of an SPS claim with zero other sourcing is incredibly shoddy work and forcing an AfD here without any evidence of independent sourcing whatsoever is a waste of everyone's time. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Television, and United States of America. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're omitting the part that I verified
Golden Reel wins. It's not clear that's enough to establish notability but it is at least evidence that the SPS is not all lies and so further discussion is merited. I did not interpret your statement as asserting the subject did not win an Emmy but that you could not find the evidence because of the other
David Lynch casts a longer shadow. Apologies if I misinterpreted. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, it's that the only results for the name "David Lynch" on the Emmy's site were for the filmmaker. The Golden Reel wins are meaningless given the absence of coverage about his winning of them;
WP:NBASIC requires significant coverage in multiple sources. If an award falls in a forest and not a single media outlet reports the sound, it contributes nothing to a claim of notability. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
20:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, the
Golden Reels awards are coming up under "D. L. Lynch". We do have topic-specific notability criterion that presumes notability for winners of certain prestigious awards. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- That the Golden Reel Awards for Sound Editing are recorded on Wikipedia (as part of a larger article, mind you, not even their own) is not prima facie evidence that they are "a well-known and significant award or honor". If there is minimal significant coverage of people winning a given type of award, it is an indication that they are in fact not particularly culturally significant. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, the
Golden Reels awards are coming up under "D. L. Lynch". We do have topic-specific notability criterion that presumes notability for winners of certain prestigious awards. ~
Kvng (
talk)
20:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, it's that the only results for the name "David Lynch" on the Emmy's site were for the filmmaker. The Golden Reel wins are meaningless given the absence of coverage about his winning of them;
WP:NBASIC requires significant coverage in multiple sources. If an award falls in a forest and not a single media outlet reports the sound, it contributes nothing to a claim of notability. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)
20:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, no proof of the Emmy win exists, and the Golden Reel does not appear to be a significant award. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:38, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, real hard to verify this as the other David Lynch also has several Emmys. If someone can find proof of the Emmys, I will change my vote. Zeddedm ( talk) 02:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As near as I can tell, the Emmy was not given specifically to him but, rather, to the team of people who worked on a show that won an Emmy for post-production audio. That's likely why it's hard to verify...because one has to look deep into the credits of the list of people who worked in the audio recording department for the show. Also, it's a technical award, one of many given at both national and regional chapter levels. It's not an award that would indicate he is notable musician, or sound engineer for that matter. And because of this lack of individual recognition, there are no RS's to earn a keep. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - No evidence of notability found. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The whole rigmarole is most probably due to the confusion between this Lynch and the other one, the film maker. Notability monitor for this person shows a flat line. - The Gnome ( talk) 09:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.