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The result was delete. – Joe ( talk) 17:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
David Hay, 14th Marquess of Tweeddale
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Given the lack of any significant coverage that I can find, I doubt that the topic meets the notability criteria set by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. The article is about his brothers as much as it is about him. The article about the marquesses of Tweeddale should be enough to cover the matter. Surtsicna ( talk) 09:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. Given all previous marquesses qualified under WP:POLITICIAN, it makes sense for consistency's sake to also cover those who are no longer entitled to sit in the Lords by right. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- That does not make sense at all. The idea that we should have an article about someone just because his ancestors were notable goes against WP:INVALIDBIO and WP:NOTINHERITED. Wikipedia is not here to fill in holes in rich people's family trees. The man is simply too obscure to have an article on Wikipedia. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Be careful, Surtsicna's WP:IDONTLIKE arrow moved to Brirish peers from deposed royal family members. 136.228.175.248 ( talk) 17:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- It's not that I don't like it. It's that it does not meet WP:BASIC and WP:GNG criteria because there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As said above the purpose of Wikipedia is not to fill in the entirety of rich people's family trees. With the end to inherited seats in the house of Lords there is also an end to default notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Edward Douglas John Hay sat in the House of Lords under the title "Marquess of Tweeddale" between 13 March 1979 and 11 November 1999 MPs and Lords > Find Lords > Marquess of Tweeddale and died in 2005. His twin Charles David Montagu Hay would have inherited some things, but he didn't inherit a seat in the House of Lords. Drchriswilliams ( talk) 21:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - as noted he was never a member of the House of Lords and so that cannot be used as an argument for political notability. Indeed other than basic biographical details (which can be covered adequately at the article of the peerage - Marquess of Tweeddale - the only information that the article supplies is a notable speech made by his late brother in the Lords. However that does not make the current Marquess of Tweeddale notable. For a peer who has never sat in the Lords to be notable it would need to be in some other field (eg business, external political campaigning, charitable work, holding another position of authority), but there is nothing here to suggest that that is the case. Dunarc ( talk) 14:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. – Joe ( talk) 17:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
David Hay, 14th Marquess of Tweeddale
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Given the lack of any significant coverage that I can find, I doubt that the topic meets the notability criteria set by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. The article is about his brothers as much as it is about him. The article about the marquesses of Tweeddale should be enough to cover the matter. Surtsicna ( talk) 09:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 09:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 09:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. 136.228.175.248 ( talk) 17:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Given all previous marquesses qualified under WP:POLITICIAN, it makes sense for consistency's sake to also cover those who are no longer entitled to sit in the Lords by right. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- That does not make sense at all. The idea that we should have an article about someone just because his ancestors were notable goes against WP:INVALIDBIO and WP:NOTINHERITED. Wikipedia is not here to fill in holes in rich people's family trees. The man is simply too obscure to have an article on Wikipedia. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Be careful, Surtsicna's WP:IDONTLIKE arrow moved to Brirish peers from deposed royal family members. 136.228.175.248 ( talk) 17:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- It's not that I don't like it. It's that it does not meet WP:BASIC and WP:GNG criteria because there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete As said above the purpose of Wikipedia is not to fill in the entirety of rich people's family trees. With the end to inherited seats in the house of Lords there is also an end to default notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:03, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Edward Douglas John Hay sat in the House of Lords under the title "Marquess of Tweeddale" between 13 March 1979 and 11 November 1999 MPs and Lords > Find Lords > Marquess of Tweeddale and died in 2005. His twin Charles David Montagu Hay would have inherited some things, but he didn't inherit a seat in the House of Lords. Drchriswilliams ( talk) 21:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - as noted he was never a member of the House of Lords and so that cannot be used as an argument for political notability. Indeed other than basic biographical details (which can be covered adequately at the article of the peerage - Marquess of Tweeddale - the only information that the article supplies is a notable speech made by his late brother in the Lords. However that does not make the current Marquess of Tweeddale notable. For a peer who has never sat in the Lords to be notable it would need to be in some other field (eg business, external political campaigning, charitable work, holding another position of authority), but there is nothing here to suggest that that is the case. Dunarc ( talk) 14:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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