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The result was keep. Modussiccandi ( talk) 12:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Darinka Jandrić
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Per Wikipedia:BLP1E and/or WP:NOPAGE. She was not even supercentenarian (person who is/was aged 110+). In fact, she was only 108 years and one month old. Also, the author of this article seems to have determined that she is a or "was the oldest known living person in Serbia" recognized by an organization called ESO, but I don't think ESO is an internationally recognized and prestigious longevity science organization, unlike Gerontology Research Group. More famous and prominent articles about the oldest people, the country's oldest person titieholder, have also been deleted in the past like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misao Okawa (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yukichi Chuganji (4th nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mamie Eva Keith (2nd nomination), etc. There is no reason to keep only this article of the oldest person in a small country like Serbia, when considering impartiality...-- Ayuta Tonomura ( talk) 09:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment Per
WP:BLP1E, "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people". This person is not living, so that rationale is not relevant here.
Jacona (
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13:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Alright. But I guess this article still not reach WP:GNG.-- Ayuta Tonomura ( talk) 01:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- She is known for several other things. THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE IS NOT THAT SHE WAS THE OLDEST. She was a student of World War II, a division medic, a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, and above all a woman whose entire family was killed by the Ustashas. .she is not a Supercentenarian, ESO does not deal with people under 110 years of age. (Only 110+ same as GRG). She might have been the oldest in her country. But that is not important, it is important to rearrange the article. Дејан2021 ( talk) 19:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Unlike some other unverified supercentenarian articles you nominated, this person is also notable for being a World War II veteran. It could be improved and potentially expanded, of course. The List of last surviving World War II veterans does not contain any Yugoslav WWII veterans for some reason, that could be filled out. By the way, the argument "small country like Serbia" is not a great outlook, she lived most of her life in Yugoslavia, a pretty significant country back in the day. I don't think being from a "small country" is a great argument for deleting biographies anyway. Per Дејан2021 as well. - Vipz ( talk) 03:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- It is partially fixed for now, although there may be more improvements. She was not a Supercentenarian (110+), as I said, down to the other side of her significance, other than longevity. She spent most of her life in Yugoslavia, more precisely in Belgrade, present-day Serbia. She was one of the last women veterans of the second world war, she is not the last, there are many people (95+) who are still alive, who were participants in the war II... Дејан2021 ( talk) 13:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep'. I have no knowledge of Serbian, and am relying on google translate to read the sources in the article. They do not focus on her longevity, and are fairly detailed biographies examining her family history and survival of WWII. They are certainly substantive, and they seem decently reliable local news to an unfamiliar reader. I am not generally persuaded by longevity as a determinant of notability, but I don't think that argument is needed here. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Modussiccandi ( talk) 12:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Darinka Jandrić
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Per Wikipedia:BLP1E and/or WP:NOPAGE. She was not even supercentenarian (person who is/was aged 110+). In fact, she was only 108 years and one month old. Also, the author of this article seems to have determined that she is a or "was the oldest known living person in Serbia" recognized by an organization called ESO, but I don't think ESO is an internationally recognized and prestigious longevity science organization, unlike Gerontology Research Group. More famous and prominent articles about the oldest people, the country's oldest person titieholder, have also been deleted in the past like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misao Okawa (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yukichi Chuganji (4th nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mamie Eva Keith (2nd nomination), etc. There is no reason to keep only this article of the oldest person in a small country like Serbia, when considering impartiality...-- Ayuta Tonomura ( talk) 09:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions 09:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Serbia. Shellwood ( talk) 10:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Per
WP:BLP1E, "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people". This person is not living, so that rationale is not relevant here.
Jacona (
talk)
13:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Alright. But I guess this article still not reach WP:GNG.-- Ayuta Tonomura ( talk) 01:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- She is known for several other things. THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE IS NOT THAT SHE WAS THE OLDEST. She was a student of World War II, a division medic, a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, and above all a woman whose entire family was killed by the Ustashas. .she is not a Supercentenarian, ESO does not deal with people under 110 years of age. (Only 110+ same as GRG). She might have been the oldest in her country. But that is not important, it is important to rearrange the article. Дејан2021 ( talk) 19:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Unlike some other unverified supercentenarian articles you nominated, this person is also notable for being a World War II veteran. It could be improved and potentially expanded, of course. The List of last surviving World War II veterans does not contain any Yugoslav WWII veterans for some reason, that could be filled out. By the way, the argument "small country like Serbia" is not a great outlook, she lived most of her life in Yugoslavia, a pretty significant country back in the day. I don't think being from a "small country" is a great argument for deleting biographies anyway. Per Дејан2021 as well. - Vipz ( talk) 03:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- It is partially fixed for now, although there may be more improvements. She was not a Supercentenarian (110+), as I said, down to the other side of her significance, other than longevity. She spent most of her life in Yugoslavia, more precisely in Belgrade, present-day Serbia. She was one of the last women veterans of the second world war, she is not the last, there are many people (95+) who are still alive, who were participants in the war II... Дејан2021 ( talk) 13:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep'. I have no knowledge of Serbian, and am relying on google translate to read the sources in the article. They do not focus on her longevity, and are fairly detailed biographies examining her family history and survival of WWII. They are certainly substantive, and they seem decently reliable local news to an unfamiliar reader. I am not generally persuaded by longevity as a determinant of notability, but I don't think that argument is needed here. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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