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The result was delete. Deleting per failure to meet WP:GNG and WP:NBIO.
Thanks for your contributions and assuming good faith with this decision. If you have a problem with it, please bring up your concerns at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Thank you and happy holidays! Missvain ( talk) 23:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Dan Milligan (musician)
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BLP does not meet WP:NBIO- coverage is largely WP:PASSING mentions. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 00:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Before search yields just passing mentions and interviews. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep WP:BASIC musicians and producers are known for their work, and this one works. Lightburst ( talk) 01:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree that these establish notability for the individual- Discogs is not WP:RS and the newspaper article mention is in the context of The Joy Thieves. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 01:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete [1] seems like a decent source, but it's local and about 50% of the article is quotes, so overall it probably doesn't count towards notability. All other sources contain only passing mentions. Mlb96 ( talk) 21:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Criteria for any biography: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field" - Artist is responsible for the creation of one of the largest and most important groups in modern Industrial music. Criteria for Creative Professionals: "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors" - Artist is an important figure in modern Industrial music and the fact that many are notable (have Wikipedia bios) and choose to be a part of the collective is a testament to the level of importance the artist has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiGrey ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment @ WikiGrey: Could you provide a reliable source to support your statement that The Joy Thieves are "one of the most important groups in modern Industrial music"? They aren't even mentioned in the industrial music article. Also, you have claimed that Mr. Milligan is regarded as an important figure in industrial music. Could you provide any reliable sources supporting this? Mlb96 ( talk) 06:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Mlb96: I do not have an article that directly says this. I can, however, say that wiki page for The Joy Thieves clearly backs up with references the fact that Mr. Milligan is the founder of the collective and lists, with references, the members that have chosen to work with him. Many of which are notable themselves in the Industrial music scene as well as other music genres. That combined with his list of artists he has worked with, many notable themselves, along with the discography noted above, on Discogs, supports his involvement and importance in the genre and scene. WikiGrey) 22:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as non-notable. I would also question the notability of Joy Thieves; the sources used are weak and I couldn't turn up anything to replace them. JSFarman ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Notability via WP:ANYBIO is not enough to warrant a standalone article. Heartmusic678 ( talk) 15:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Deleting per failure to meet WP:GNG and WP:NBIO.
Thanks for your contributions and assuming good faith with this decision. If you have a problem with it, please bring up your concerns at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Thank you and happy holidays! Missvain ( talk) 23:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Dan Milligan (musician)
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- Dan Milligan (musician) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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BLP does not meet WP:NBIO- coverage is largely WP:PASSING mentions. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 00:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Before search yields just passing mentions and interviews. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep WP:BASIC musicians and producers are known for their work, and this one works. Lightburst ( talk) 01:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree that these establish notability for the individual- Discogs is not WP:RS and the newspaper article mention is in the context of The Joy Thieves. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 01:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete [1] seems like a decent source, but it's local and about 50% of the article is quotes, so overall it probably doesn't count towards notability. All other sources contain only passing mentions. Mlb96 ( talk) 21:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Criteria for any biography: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field" - Artist is responsible for the creation of one of the largest and most important groups in modern Industrial music. Criteria for Creative Professionals: "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors" - Artist is an important figure in modern Industrial music and the fact that many are notable (have Wikipedia bios) and choose to be a part of the collective is a testament to the level of importance the artist has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiGrey ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit 12:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ WikiGrey: Could you provide a reliable source to support your statement that The Joy Thieves are "one of the most important groups in modern Industrial music"? They aren't even mentioned in the industrial music article. Also, you have claimed that Mr. Milligan is regarded as an important figure in industrial music. Could you provide any reliable sources supporting this? Mlb96 ( talk) 06:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Mlb96: I do not have an article that directly says this. I can, however, say that wiki page for The Joy Thieves clearly backs up with references the fact that Mr. Milligan is the founder of the collective and lists, with references, the members that have chosen to work with him. Many of which are notable themselves in the Industrial music scene as well as other music genres. That combined with his list of artists he has worked with, many notable themselves, along with the discography noted above, on Discogs, supports his involvement and importance in the genre and scene. WikiGrey) 22:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwaiiplayer (
talk) 13:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable. I would also question the notability of Joy Thieves; the sources used are weak and I couldn't turn up anything to replace them. JSFarman ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Notability via WP:ANYBIO is not enough to warrant a standalone article. Heartmusic678 ( talk) 15:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.