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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 13:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
DWPM
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Non-notable radio station. Inadequately sourced, and a search finds nothing better. Would have been happy to drafify this as possibly WP:TOOSOON, however it was previously draftified and moved back into main space past AfC, so here we are. Fails WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT / WP:NRADIO. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio, Business, and Philippines. DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Dratify AGAIN per nom. Restore it back for now via draft because days from now this station will officially launch and sources regarding this may be publish. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 12:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)- Not 'per nom', I'm advocating delete, not drafify; the latter is no longer an option. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Weak redirect to Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation#AM stations, the owner of the stations frequency. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 12:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)I have changed my vote from redirect to weak redirect since the station is currently under test broadcast. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 08:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Unless there are additional cite sources found, the issue must be settled whether the article has sufficiently enough to be eligible. Ekis2020 ( talk) 13:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. It's too early to say if an article on this AM radio station (now test broadcasting) should exist. For now, redirect may be the best option unless its notability be established. Circumstances (being Metro Manila-based; involvement of networks) may not be enough at this moment.—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- [Revised] Additional comment. I can't suggest on wherever this article be redirected (if that will be the case), it should be addressed first. Yes,
Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation is currently the frequency owner (provisional authority);
Prime Media Holdings &
ABS-CBN are the operators (joint venture) yet the latter now can't operate it alone given that its franchise had expired. (The first two are the best choices.)—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- ABS-CBN cannot own a station or frequency since it doesn't have a franchise anymore, but can operate one via LMA. Therefore, operating a station is beyond NTC regulations.
ASTIG
😎
🙃
00:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- That's noted. I thought, I might misunderstood these.— Raider000 ( talk) 07:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- ABS-CBN cannot own a station or frequency since it doesn't have a franchise anymore, but can operate one via LMA. Therefore, operating a station is beyond NTC regulations.
ASTIG
😎
🙃
00:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- [Revised] Additional comment. I can't suggest on wherever this article be redirected (if that will be the case), it should be addressed first. Yes,
Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation is currently the frequency owner (provisional authority);
Prime Media Holdings &
ABS-CBN are the operators (joint venture) yet the latter now can't operate it alone given that its franchise had expired. (The first two are the best choices.)—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: @
DoubleGrazing: I added 1 source about the test broadcast of DWPM which is from The Manila Times. Is the notability okay or still not?
ThisIsSeanJ (
talk)
08:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's debatable whether that source provides significant coverage, or is just routine business reporting, but even if we give it the benefit of the doubt, one such source is not enough; per WP:GNG we need to see multiple sources. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 09:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's definitely WP:SIGCOV, but we need more than that. ASTIG 😎 🙃 00:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*Possible redirect(?) to
DZMM. The background is this: DWPM is the new radio station that bought the 630 kHz frequency that DZMM lost as a result of the latter's
loss of congressional francise — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Titopao (
talk •
contribs) I'm changing my vote to keep. ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
13:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:
I'll neither vote to keep or redirect the article.Since the station was launched today, alongside the relaunch of TeleRadyo Serbisyo, I don't think this is WP:TOOSOON anymore. So, I'll expect more coverage for the following days. ASTIG 😎 🙃 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Station already officiated. Let's just wait for more details regards to this developing station. Hamham31 Heke! KushKush! 04:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- If the concern is the coverage, the possibility of this article being redirected (as what i've said in my earlier comment) may decrease over time, given that cited sources are being added. Deletion is less likely. Should the notability be established at least in the soonest, it's possible that this article should be kept.— Raider000 ( talk) 08:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- GENERAL ADVICE TO ALL PARTICIPANTS: there have been plenty of comments, which is great, but some of them don't make clear whether you are only commenting or also !voting, because of the way the way the comments are rendered. If you wish to argue for, say, redirection, please make this clear in your !vote; don't start the bullet point with 'comment' and then half way down the paragraph say 'redirect' – start with 'redirect'. Especially in a long discussion thread, it can otherwise be difficult to ascertain community consensus. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 08:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, DoubleGrazing, you are so right. As a closer, I consider all of the comments but having bolded "votes" also gives me a general sense of where consensus may lie. Some editors leave quite a lot of comments but never say, in brief, what they want to happen with an article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as article passes the general notability guideline since Manila Times and Rappler are generally reliable secondary sources (my personal viewpoints on those outlets notwithstanding) and that their coverage of the station so far is significant, which may change if other reliable media outlets also report on the station. Also meets the notability guideline on broadcast radio stations since it was given the green light by the national broadcasting authority to operate in some form and that the said station has its set of original programs, although many were carried over from its previous incarnation. - Ian Lopez @ 10:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep already passes notability guidelines per Ian Lopez statement. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 23:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep – per others above. I'm not opposed on keeping this article. VictorTorres2002 ( talk) 13:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG, WP:NRADIO, and WP:ORGCRIT Generally passed. Abrilando232 ( talk) 01:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 13:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
DWPM
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Non-notable radio station. Inadequately sourced, and a search finds nothing better. Would have been happy to drafify this as possibly WP:TOOSOON, however it was previously draftified and moved back into main space past AfC, so here we are. Fails WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT / WP:NRADIO. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio, Business, and Philippines. DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Dratify AGAIN per nom. Restore it back for now via draft because days from now this station will officially launch and sources regarding this may be publish. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 12:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)- Not 'per nom', I'm advocating delete, not drafify; the latter is no longer an option. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 12:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Weak redirect to Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation#AM stations, the owner of the stations frequency. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 12:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)I have changed my vote from redirect to weak redirect since the station is currently under test broadcast. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 08:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Unless there are additional cite sources found, the issue must be settled whether the article has sufficiently enough to be eligible. Ekis2020 ( talk) 13:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. It's too early to say if an article on this AM radio station (now test broadcasting) should exist. For now, redirect may be the best option unless its notability be established. Circumstances (being Metro Manila-based; involvement of networks) may not be enough at this moment.—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- [Revised] Additional comment. I can't suggest on wherever this article be redirected (if that will be the case), it should be addressed first. Yes,
Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation is currently the frequency owner (provisional authority);
Prime Media Holdings &
ABS-CBN are the operators (joint venture) yet the latter now can't operate it alone given that its franchise had expired. (The first two are the best choices.)—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- ABS-CBN cannot own a station or frequency since it doesn't have a franchise anymore, but can operate one via LMA. Therefore, operating a station is beyond NTC regulations.
ASTIG
😎
🙃
00:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- That's noted. I thought, I might misunderstood these.— Raider000 ( talk) 07:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- ABS-CBN cannot own a station or frequency since it doesn't have a franchise anymore, but can operate one via LMA. Therefore, operating a station is beyond NTC regulations.
ASTIG
😎
🙃
00:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- [Revised] Additional comment. I can't suggest on wherever this article be redirected (if that will be the case), it should be addressed first. Yes,
Baycomms Broadcasting Corporation is currently the frequency owner (provisional authority);
Prime Media Holdings &
ABS-CBN are the operators (joint venture) yet the latter now can't operate it alone given that its franchise had expired. (The first two are the best choices.)—
Raider000 (
talk)
14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: @
DoubleGrazing: I added 1 source about the test broadcast of DWPM which is from The Manila Times. Is the notability okay or still not?
ThisIsSeanJ (
talk)
08:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's debatable whether that source provides significant coverage, or is just routine business reporting, but even if we give it the benefit of the doubt, one such source is not enough; per WP:GNG we need to see multiple sources. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 09:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- It's definitely WP:SIGCOV, but we need more than that. ASTIG 😎 🙃 00:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*Possible redirect(?) to
DZMM. The background is this: DWPM is the new radio station that bought the 630 kHz frequency that DZMM lost as a result of the latter's
loss of congressional francise — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Titopao (
talk •
contribs) I'm changing my vote to keep. ---
Tito Pao (
talk)
13:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:
I'll neither vote to keep or redirect the article.Since the station was launched today, alongside the relaunch of TeleRadyo Serbisyo, I don't think this is WP:TOOSOON anymore. So, I'll expect more coverage for the following days. ASTIG 😎 🙃 00:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Station already officiated. Let's just wait for more details regards to this developing station. Hamham31 Heke! KushKush! 04:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- If the concern is the coverage, the possibility of this article being redirected (as what i've said in my earlier comment) may decrease over time, given that cited sources are being added. Deletion is less likely. Should the notability be established at least in the soonest, it's possible that this article should be kept.— Raider000 ( talk) 08:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- GENERAL ADVICE TO ALL PARTICIPANTS: there have been plenty of comments, which is great, but some of them don't make clear whether you are only commenting or also !voting, because of the way the way the comments are rendered. If you wish to argue for, say, redirection, please make this clear in your !vote; don't start the bullet point with 'comment' and then half way down the paragraph say 'redirect' – start with 'redirect'. Especially in a long discussion thread, it can otherwise be difficult to ascertain community consensus. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing ( talk) 08:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, DoubleGrazing, you are so right. As a closer, I consider all of the comments but having bolded "votes" also gives me a general sense of where consensus may lie. Some editors leave quite a lot of comments but never say, in brief, what they want to happen with an article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as article passes the general notability guideline since Manila Times and Rappler are generally reliable secondary sources (my personal viewpoints on those outlets notwithstanding) and that their coverage of the station so far is significant, which may change if other reliable media outlets also report on the station. Also meets the notability guideline on broadcast radio stations since it was given the green light by the national broadcasting authority to operate in some form and that the said station has its set of original programs, although many were carried over from its previous incarnation. - Ian Lopez @ 10:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep already passes notability guidelines per Ian Lopez statement. ThisIsSeanJ ( talk) 23:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep – per others above. I'm not opposed on keeping this article. VictorTorres2002 ( talk) 13:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG, WP:NRADIO, and WP:ORGCRIT Generally passed. Abrilando232 ( talk) 01:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.