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The result was delete. Although an argument for redirect instead of delete was presented, it gained no traction. No evidence presented that it meets any notability guidelines. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 22:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Crescent Junction, Utah
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For all the expansion past the original GNIS stub, the added text discusses first a rail point and then an intersection, a narrative mostly inferred from a variety of maps. Actual sourcing from GHits gives nothing beyond clickbait and location references mostly having to do with highway work. "Brendel" produces the same, except the hits are about railroad stuff. A single gas station at an intersection doth not a settlement make. Mangoe ( talk) 23:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Utah. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Grand County, Utah. I do not see any real indications of notability. There's a gas station, a spur line to a potash mine, and a highway exit. Only thing of note is the Crescent Junction Disposal Cell
[1]
[2], a facility for the storage of radioactive material. As notability is not inherited, that doesn't make Crescent Junction notable in and of itself.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk)
00:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- The potash mines and oil wells are the Paradox Basin, by the way. Uncle G ( talk) 04:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's because it isn't a settlement. I researched it, and then found that the source that I found explaining what it actually was, was in the article already, but had been mis-used. van Cott's Utah Place Names says that Crescent Junction is a "wayside stop and service station" with some permanent residents. No-one says that it is a "town" (as originally written back in 2007, not actually as a GNIS stub, and linking "town" to not to town but to an article on "areas") or an "unincorporated community" (as changed in 2011 by an editor who ironically thought that the GNIS, which in fact doesn't distinguish between towns and single buildings, was a "better source"). And a contemporary 1960s source likewise says "Brendel, Utah, the railhead at or near Crescent Junction, Utah", explaining what that is. Uncle G ( talk) 03:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm leaning towards keep, but am open to persuasion. I agree that purely on the merits it should be deleted. It's a highway junction, rail junction, old run down truck stop, and a waste disposal site. However, I can easily predict that if deleted, it will be back. In fact, at one time this was two articles, one for Crescent Junction, and one for Brendel. IIRC I'm the one who combined them. Despite not having a lot of notable things, this place does have an appeal to several types of people (roadgeeks, railfans and environmental activists, to name 3) and it's not difficult to predict that someone reading this article Moab uranium mill tailings pile, or any number of road and rail transport articles that mention the place, will see the red link for Crescent Junction and say "Hey, I've been there, I can throw something together". I know "why make more work for ourselves" isn't exactly a rule at wikipedia, but I think in this case it has merit. Davemeistermoab ( talk) 20:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Although transportation routes have passed through the area for many years, there's no evidence that Crescent Junction was ever anything more than, well, a junction with a rail siding and later a truck stop. Anything of interest to railroad buffs, environmentalists, road enthusiasts, etc would best be covered in articles about those topics. – dlthewave ☎ 13:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Dlthewave. -- Vaco98 ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Although an argument for redirect instead of delete was presented, it gained no traction. No evidence presented that it meets any notability guidelines. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 22:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Crescent Junction, Utah
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For all the expansion past the original GNIS stub, the added text discusses first a rail point and then an intersection, a narrative mostly inferred from a variety of maps. Actual sourcing from GHits gives nothing beyond clickbait and location references mostly having to do with highway work. "Brendel" produces the same, except the hits are about railroad stuff. A single gas station at an intersection doth not a settlement make. Mangoe ( talk) 23:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Utah. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Grand County, Utah. I do not see any real indications of notability. There's a gas station, a spur line to a potash mine, and a highway exit. Only thing of note is the Crescent Junction Disposal Cell
[1]
[2], a facility for the storage of radioactive material. As notability is not inherited, that doesn't make Crescent Junction notable in and of itself.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk)
00:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- The potash mines and oil wells are the Paradox Basin, by the way. Uncle G ( talk) 04:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's because it isn't a settlement. I researched it, and then found that the source that I found explaining what it actually was, was in the article already, but had been mis-used. van Cott's Utah Place Names says that Crescent Junction is a "wayside stop and service station" with some permanent residents. No-one says that it is a "town" (as originally written back in 2007, not actually as a GNIS stub, and linking "town" to not to town but to an article on "areas") or an "unincorporated community" (as changed in 2011 by an editor who ironically thought that the GNIS, which in fact doesn't distinguish between towns and single buildings, was a "better source"). And a contemporary 1960s source likewise says "Brendel, Utah, the railhead at or near Crescent Junction, Utah", explaining what that is. Uncle G ( talk) 03:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm leaning towards keep, but am open to persuasion. I agree that purely on the merits it should be deleted. It's a highway junction, rail junction, old run down truck stop, and a waste disposal site. However, I can easily predict that if deleted, it will be back. In fact, at one time this was two articles, one for Crescent Junction, and one for Brendel. IIRC I'm the one who combined them. Despite not having a lot of notable things, this place does have an appeal to several types of people (roadgeeks, railfans and environmental activists, to name 3) and it's not difficult to predict that someone reading this article Moab uranium mill tailings pile, or any number of road and rail transport articles that mention the place, will see the red link for Crescent Junction and say "Hey, I've been there, I can throw something together". I know "why make more work for ourselves" isn't exactly a rule at wikipedia, but I think in this case it has merit. Davemeistermoab ( talk) 20:24, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Although transportation routes have passed through the area for many years, there's no evidence that Crescent Junction was ever anything more than, well, a junction with a rail siding and later a truck stop. Anything of interest to railroad buffs, environmentalists, road enthusiasts, etc would best be covered in articles about those topics. – dlthewave ☎ 13:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Dlthewave. -- Vaco98 ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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