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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 19:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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BLP about an actor whose series The Benza is notable, but I’m doubtful that he is is notable enough aside from this to warrant an article about him. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak keep or draftify: He appeared in the Fairy Tail stage play as Hot Eye (sorry if I misspelled the character's name since I am unfamiliar with the series) ( link) and his Japanese Wikipedia page shows that he has appeared in multiple music videos and variety shows. However, since these credits are dubiously sourced I would probably consider draftifying this article if not keeping it. His Japanese Wikipedia page has also shown he has won individual awards outside of The Benza with sources. lullabying ( talk) 20:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Thank you for checking the article for Christopher McCombs. As the creator of the article I am voting for keep.
Mccombs is not just an actor. He is also the creator of The Benza, the additional 8 episode spin off series Benza English, and is also the creator and writer of the video game The Benza RPG. I believe being the creator of an entertainment franchise that’s available in over 130 countries is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. I believe he meets clause number three in the notability guide under the “Entertainers” section . This is all sourced and verifiable within the article via secondary sources including links from The Japan Times, SoraNews, the Tokyo Weekender, and more.
As lullabying noted, McCombs has won multiple awards as an actor for and outside of The Benza. These awards were not included per advice from editor Barkeep49 about sourcing awards from events that are not included as a wikipedia article as they come off as too promotional. He has been sourced via various secondary sources for quite a few different television shows, movies, and music videos across several different languages of Wikipedia,but I thought it would be best to focus on him as a creator of The Benza franchise as to not flood the article with reference links.
Additionally, and though this may be an irrelevant point, two other cast members with less notability and reference links from The Benza were approved. How is it that they are notable but the creator of the show they are in is not?
Onel5969, as you approved one of the other cast pages and one of the series pages I made, could you please chime in? Barkeep49 if you could chime in as well it would be helpful.
Thank you for your time. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 23:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I can confirm I said that my rule of thumb is that awards which have Wikipedia articles can be worth including in a biography. I have no opinion on notability and will not research given the potential for canvassing. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Benza, which is virtually what this article is about. A whopping 6 episode season. An Amazon Prime. Clearly does not pass WP:NCREATIVE. Oh, yeah. Highly promotional article as well. Onel5969 TT me 01:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - as the creator and star of a TV show, he is not the show. Bearian ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you all for the feedback.
I took the week to research McCombs so that I could add additional information that will prove notability at the same level as the other two cast members from The Benza that had their pages approved. This is information that I compiled via searching in Japanese and using McCombs’ Japanese Wikipedia as a base. I tried to not increase the amount of reference links much to prevent flooding the page with too many references to check. I have added this information to the career section before the information relevant to “The Benza”.
It is my hope that this additional information will suffice to prevent deletion or returning to the draft stage. I would be more than happy to make further changes to remove any promotional language that is in this article if someone could give me some feedback or advice. I have read the information available on Wikipedia and have done my best to follow the guidelines as I understand them.
There are currently 15 episodes over two different series available in 130 countries. A second series of the original show is currently being shot. This is more distribution and availability than many fully funded Japanese television shows see. To add to this, a non-native Japanese speaker wrote and produced this series. It is made clear in several of the articles used as reference that HIS notability in Japanese entertainment is what enabled the series to be made. To put that down the show and McCombs for being “only six episodes on Amazon Prime Video” seems a bit callous, dismissive, and factually incorrect.
Once again, I thank you for your time and I await word from an administrator. I appreciate this opportunity to defend my research. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 23:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 16:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for the re-listing. I have now further edited the article, to improve upon the notability of McCombs. I have removed the section on The Benza and added a section about his production company Tokyo Cowboys. I believe the article now fulfills the needs of WP:ENT and WP:GNG. I feel that due to the new content a redirect would no longer be correct, as it talks about much more than just The Benza. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 11:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Enough coverage to meet WP:GNG and WP:ENT. I agree with the statement above, the actor and creator is not the same as the show itself. Marion85 ( talk) 14:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC) — Marion85 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep per WP:HEY. There is now enough unique and original content to justify not redirecting. Craft777 ( talk) 22:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC) — Craft777 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 19:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Christopher McCombs ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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BLP about an actor whose series The Benza is notable, but I’m doubtful that he is is notable enough aside from this to warrant an article about him. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Mccapra ( talk) 20:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep or draftify: He appeared in the Fairy Tail stage play as Hot Eye (sorry if I misspelled the character's name since I am unfamiliar with the series) ( link) and his Japanese Wikipedia page shows that he has appeared in multiple music videos and variety shows. However, since these credits are dubiously sourced I would probably consider draftifying this article if not keeping it. His Japanese Wikipedia page has also shown he has won individual awards outside of The Benza with sources. lullabying ( talk) 20:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Thank you for checking the article for Christopher McCombs. As the creator of the article I am voting for keep.
Mccombs is not just an actor. He is also the creator of The Benza, the additional 8 episode spin off series Benza English, and is also the creator and writer of the video game The Benza RPG. I believe being the creator of an entertainment franchise that’s available in over 130 countries is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. I believe he meets clause number three in the notability guide under the “Entertainers” section . This is all sourced and verifiable within the article via secondary sources including links from The Japan Times, SoraNews, the Tokyo Weekender, and more.
As lullabying noted, McCombs has won multiple awards as an actor for and outside of The Benza. These awards were not included per advice from editor Barkeep49 about sourcing awards from events that are not included as a wikipedia article as they come off as too promotional. He has been sourced via various secondary sources for quite a few different television shows, movies, and music videos across several different languages of Wikipedia,but I thought it would be best to focus on him as a creator of The Benza franchise as to not flood the article with reference links.
Additionally, and though this may be an irrelevant point, two other cast members with less notability and reference links from The Benza were approved. How is it that they are notable but the creator of the show they are in is not?
Onel5969, as you approved one of the other cast pages and one of the series pages I made, could you please chime in? Barkeep49 if you could chime in as well it would be helpful.
Thank you for your time. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 23:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I can confirm I said that my rule of thumb is that awards which have Wikipedia articles can be worth including in a biography. I have no opinion on notability and will not research given the potential for canvassing. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Benza, which is virtually what this article is about. A whopping 6 episode season. An Amazon Prime. Clearly does not pass WP:NCREATIVE. Oh, yeah. Highly promotional article as well. Onel5969 TT me 01:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - as the creator and star of a TV show, he is not the show. Bearian ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you all for the feedback.
I took the week to research McCombs so that I could add additional information that will prove notability at the same level as the other two cast members from The Benza that had their pages approved. This is information that I compiled via searching in Japanese and using McCombs’ Japanese Wikipedia as a base. I tried to not increase the amount of reference links much to prevent flooding the page with too many references to check. I have added this information to the career section before the information relevant to “The Benza”.
It is my hope that this additional information will suffice to prevent deletion or returning to the draft stage. I would be more than happy to make further changes to remove any promotional language that is in this article if someone could give me some feedback or advice. I have read the information available on Wikipedia and have done my best to follow the guidelines as I understand them.
There are currently 15 episodes over two different series available in 130 countries. A second series of the original show is currently being shot. This is more distribution and availability than many fully funded Japanese television shows see. To add to this, a non-native Japanese speaker wrote and produced this series. It is made clear in several of the articles used as reference that HIS notability in Japanese entertainment is what enabled the series to be made. To put that down the show and McCombs for being “only six episodes on Amazon Prime Video” seems a bit callous, dismissive, and factually incorrect.
Once again, I thank you for your time and I await word from an administrator. I appreciate this opportunity to defend my research. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 23:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 16:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for the re-listing. I have now further edited the article, to improve upon the notability of McCombs. I have removed the section on The Benza and added a section about his production company Tokyo Cowboys. I believe the article now fulfills the needs of WP:ENT and WP:GNG. I feel that due to the new content a redirect would no longer be correct, as it talks about much more than just The Benza. Michaelwvideo ( talk) 11:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Enough coverage to meet WP:GNG and WP:ENT. I agree with the statement above, the actor and creator is not the same as the show itself. Marion85 ( talk) 14:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC) — Marion85 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep per WP:HEY. There is now enough unique and original content to justify not redirecting. Craft777 ( talk) 22:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC) — Craft777 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.