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The result was no consensus. As this has already been relisted twice with no additional input, and there are genuine disputes on what is and isn't substantial in reference to reviews, I can't see a consensus here. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 02:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Christmas (Hillsong album)
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Does not meet WP:NALBUMS. Track listing only at AllMusic. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 05:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment On 19 June 2014 the nominator PRODed some 50+ Hillsong-related articles see here. From 21 June I noticed this list and that some 10+ of these PRODs were charting albums at either ARIA or Billboard. I have gone through more of the 50+ list and added sources where possible and dePRODed any that I felt had a reliable source for their existence. I was hoping to get time to supply further sources to attempt to establish notability. With so many articles to research this is not necessarily achievable in a short time-frame. The nominator has sent most of the dePRODed articles straight to AfD. I ask for time/assistance in actually searching for sources to support the articles' notability. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, or else
Move toMerge with It's Christmas (Hillsong album)or Celebrating Christmas. Cross Rhythms reviewed the original album back in 2001, but a fairly quick g-hits search could not bring anything else up on that album alone. However, this album was apparently re-released along with Celebrating Christmas as a dual-album combo entitled It's Christmas, as discussed by BREATHEcast. The BREATHEcast article does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though, so that and the Cross Rhythms review should be enough for the album to have it's own standalone article. So, it can stay, or get merged into a yet-to-be created It's Christmas article.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC) - Keep two or more reviews, enough for a stand-alone article. Thanks to 3family6 for research.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 21:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I see Cross Rhythms. AllMusic is a track listing and BREATHEcast isn't a substantial review. Where do you see two or more reviews?
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 01:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I count BREATHEcast, the same as 3family6 above who says it "does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though". I agree.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 11:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Except he changed his opinion based on the lack of sources and your misunderstanding continues to determine that every Hillsong album should be kept regardless of the number of or quality of sources. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I count BREATHEcast, the same as 3family6 above who says it "does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though". I agree.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 11:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I see Cross Rhythms. AllMusic is a track listing and BREATHEcast isn't a substantial review. Where do you see two or more reviews?
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 01:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Walter, I did not change my Keep vote, or my Merge vote. I deleted my "Move" vote as an alternative to merging (I'm not sure what I meant by "move"), as well as eliminating Celebrating Christmas as a possible target. I think at this juncture a merger into It's Christmas, which I hope to create tomorrow, is the best option.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 02:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as non notable album with no evidence of notability .– Davey2010 • (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete no substantial coverage, fails WP:GNG, fails WP:NALBUMS. -- Bejnar ( talk) 19:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. As this has already been relisted twice with no additional input, and there are genuine disputes on what is and isn't substantial in reference to reviews, I can't see a consensus here. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 02:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Christmas (Hillsong album)
- Christmas (Hillsong album) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Does not meet WP:NALBUMS. Track listing only at AllMusic. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 05:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment On 19 June 2014 the nominator PRODed some 50+ Hillsong-related articles see here. From 21 June I noticed this list and that some 10+ of these PRODs were charting albums at either ARIA or Billboard. I have gone through more of the 50+ list and added sources where possible and dePRODed any that I felt had a reliable source for their existence. I was hoping to get time to supply further sources to attempt to establish notability. With so many articles to research this is not necessarily achievable in a short time-frame. The nominator has sent most of the dePRODed articles straight to AfD. I ask for time/assistance in actually searching for sources to support the articles' notability. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, or else
Move toMerge with It's Christmas (Hillsong album)or Celebrating Christmas. Cross Rhythms reviewed the original album back in 2001, but a fairly quick g-hits search could not bring anything else up on that album alone. However, this album was apparently re-released along with Celebrating Christmas as a dual-album combo entitled It's Christmas, as discussed by BREATHEcast. The BREATHEcast article does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though, so that and the Cross Rhythms review should be enough for the album to have it's own standalone article. So, it can stay, or get merged into a yet-to-be created It's Christmas article.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 16:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC) - Keep two or more reviews, enough for a stand-alone article. Thanks to 3family6 for research.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 21:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I see Cross Rhythms. AllMusic is a track listing and BREATHEcast isn't a substantial review. Where do you see two or more reviews?
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 01:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I count BREATHEcast, the same as 3family6 above who says it "does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though". I agree.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 11:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Except he changed his opinion based on the lack of sources and your misunderstanding continues to determine that every Hillsong album should be kept regardless of the number of or quality of sources. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I count BREATHEcast, the same as 3family6 above who says it "does contain a substantial review of Christmas, though". I agree.
shaidar cuebiyar (
talk) 11:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I see Cross Rhythms. AllMusic is a track listing and BREATHEcast isn't a substantial review. Where do you see two or more reviews?
Walter Görlitz (
talk) 01:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
- Walter, I did not change my Keep vote, or my Merge vote. I deleted my "Move" vote as an alternative to merging (I'm not sure what I meant by "move"), as well as eliminating Celebrating Christmas as a possible target. I think at this juncture a merger into It's Christmas, which I hope to create tomorrow, is the best option.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 02:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as non notable album with no evidence of notability .– Davey2010 • (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete no substantial coverage, fails WP:GNG, fails WP:NALBUMS. -- Bejnar ( talk) 19:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr\ talk / 01:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Tom Morris ( talk) 07:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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