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The result was delete, no prejudice against recreation if better sources have been found-- Ymblanter ( talk) 22:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Christiane Vleugels
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This Belgian artist (who's article was previously deleted) does not meet WP criteria for notability per WP:NARTIST not WP:GNG. A "before" search only finds social media, blogs, databases, user-submitted content, and primary sources (such as galleries and websites that sell her work). What is not found are reviews in art magazines (with the exception of an amateur-hobby trade journal and paid-placement native advertising). I can find no serious art historical articles or book chapters on her work; no notable museum collections, nor what we normally find for a notable artist. It is clear she has technical skill, but that is not what is needed for an encyclopedia article. The article states she is "involved with IBEX Masters art collective", and the article was created by a user AGIbexMasters, so it looks like it is also WP:COI and possibly WP:UPE. Netherzone ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Arts, Visual arts, and Belgium. Netherzone ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ARTIST She has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. -- WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 01:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 00:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the quality of her work (this would probably be an WP:IAR Keep comment), which is undeniably and interestingly photorealistic in nature. The gallery showings should also weigh into a keep for this page. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No coverage found, not listed in Getty ULAN, most coverage found is in Spanish, on Cultura Inquieta, but I'm unsure that's a RS Oaktree b ( talk) 00:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Unfortunately it must be a delete. Considering her work, which is absolutely stellar but no exhibited works as far as I can see apart from the "virtual museum" and no works being kept in any collection, although it must be only a matter of time. The skill there is astounding and I'm sorry its got to go. I'll add Christiane Vleugels to my todo list and check it every few weeks when I create a new article, it will get checked. Its got to be case of WP:TOOSOON. scope_creep Talk 12:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete, no prejudice against recreation if better sources have been found-- Ymblanter ( talk) 22:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Christiane Vleugels
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- Christiane Vleugels ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This Belgian artist (who's article was previously deleted) does not meet WP criteria for notability per WP:NARTIST not WP:GNG. A "before" search only finds social media, blogs, databases, user-submitted content, and primary sources (such as galleries and websites that sell her work). What is not found are reviews in art magazines (with the exception of an amateur-hobby trade journal and paid-placement native advertising). I can find no serious art historical articles or book chapters on her work; no notable museum collections, nor what we normally find for a notable artist. It is clear she has technical skill, but that is not what is needed for an encyclopedia article. The article states she is "involved with IBEX Masters art collective", and the article was created by a user AGIbexMasters, so it looks like it is also WP:COI and possibly WP:UPE. Netherzone ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Arts, Visual arts, and Belgium. Netherzone ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ARTIST She has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. -- WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 01:42, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 00:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the quality of her work (this would probably be an WP:IAR Keep comment), which is undeniably and interestingly photorealistic in nature. The gallery showings should also weigh into a keep for this page. Randy Kryn ( talk) 10:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No coverage found, not listed in Getty ULAN, most coverage found is in Spanish, on Cultura Inquieta, but I'm unsure that's a RS Oaktree b ( talk) 00:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Unfortunately it must be a delete. Considering her work, which is absolutely stellar but no exhibited works as far as I can see apart from the "virtual museum" and no works being kept in any collection, although it must be only a matter of time. The skill there is astounding and I'm sorry its got to go. I'll add Christiane Vleugels to my todo list and check it every few weeks when I create a new article, it will get checked. Its got to be case of WP:TOOSOON. scope_creep Talk 12:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.