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The result was Redirect to List of programs broadcast by Colors. WP:TOOSOON. Any content worth merging is available in the article history. Randykitty ( talk) 18:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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WP:TOOSOON and WP:SOAPBOX. The article is about a show that has not yet aired and hasn't garnered any significant notability yet. The article is also poorly sourced. Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 03:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- delete no evidence of significant coverage. fails WP:NFF as well (applicable even if its a TV show and not a film). redirect to Ashok Banker would also be acceptable. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom Ch an der 15:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
DeleteRedirect in addition to the above reasons, the author of the page has been continually reverted for unambiguous advertising to Facebook pages and the like. Primefac ( talk) 15:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- Keep. Eh, has some significant coverage in secondary sources, including Best Media Info, IndianTelevision.com and the Times of India. Don't know how reliable the former two are, but they both contribute coverage that could make this more than a stub. If not, redirect to the list of programs broadcast by Colors, because redirects are cheap. 23W 23:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 11:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 11:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:56, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. Eurodyne ( talk) 01:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- KeepThis is an upcoming TV series. The sources from Times Of India and Colors TV look reliable NEsha21 ( talk) 10:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @
NEsha21, upcoming when? Neither source gives a date for the premier, which means we may have this article in its current state for a long time. Just because a program LOOKS promising doesn't mean that it should have a placeholder until it is SHOWN to be successful.
Primefac (
talk) 11:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- And the "reliable" looking colors TV is obviously promoting a show on itself so is not independent a necessary requirement for a source that is being used to establish
whether third parties have found the subject notable. --
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Primefac, @ TheRedPenOfDoom: Is there no way this could be merged or redirected? It seems like it would be a useful search term, and I don't really see how this is promotional yet. 23W 00:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- And the "reliable" looking colors TV is obviously promoting a show on itself so is not independent a necessary requirement for a source that is being used to establish
whether third parties have found the subject notable. --
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @
NEsha21, upcoming when? Neither source gives a date for the premier, which means we may have this article in its current state for a long time. Just because a program LOOKS promising doesn't mean that it should have a placeholder until it is SHOWN to be successful.
Primefac (
talk) 11:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep
Comment: It is probably a bit premature, but is deletion really going to help matters? If we can't simply wait, it could be redirected to the network to allow easy resurrection when the show debuts.-- Milowent • has spoken 00:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Milowent, redirection is a perfectly acceptable outcome of an AfD discussion.
Primefac (
talk) 09:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course it is, but I also know AfD touches only a random selection of articles like this, we simply do not have the manpower currently to neatly redirect and then resurrect Indian TV series articles. As it is, most of these articles are in in poor shape.--
Milowent •
has
spoken 11:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Milowent: redirect hasnt been tried in this particular instance, but it is my experience with these "soon to be released" TV shows that any attempt to convert them to redirects is undone in a matter of hours. and so without some formal establishment of community consensus via an AfD or RfC, its simply an edit war to try and maintain them as a redirect. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course it is, but I also know AfD touches only a random selection of articles like this, we simply do not have the manpower currently to neatly redirect and then resurrect Indian TV series articles. As it is, most of these articles are in in poor shape.--
Milowent •
has
spoken 11:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
-
Milowent, redirection is a perfectly acceptable outcome of an AfD discussion.
Primefac (
talk) 09:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of programs broadcast by Colors (with the history preserved under the redirect).
Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says:
I didn't find anything in the sources indicating that principal photography has commenced.Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun.
The history should be preserved under the redirect to allow easy resurrection, as noted by Milowent and 23W. As I wrote at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 July 19#Westshore Town Centre:
Cunard ( talk) 03:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)The only benefit of keeping the edit history deleted that I can see would be to prevent users from undoing the redirect and restoring the deleted content. But this is easily remedied by reverting the restoration and fully protecting the redirect.
A benefit of restoring the article's history would be to allow non-admins to see what the encyclopedia once said about the subject.
Using the deleted content for a merge is not the only benefit. Another example is that in the future if sources surface that demonstrate notability, the deleted content can be easily reviewed. Without needing to ask an admin, a non-admin could determine whether the deleted content could be used as the basis of a newly recreated article with the new sources. Deletion would hinder this.
In sum, the benefits of restoring the deleted content outweigh the negligible negatives, so the article's history should be restored under the redirect.
- Agreed with above, a merge and redirect to List of programs broadcast by Colors seems most appropriate at this stage and allows later for easy expansion of the article if the show goes live. -- Reinoutr ( talk) 14:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Redirect to List of programs broadcast by Colors. WP:TOOSOON. Any content worth merging is available in the article history. Randykitty ( talk) 18:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:TOOSOON and WP:SOAPBOX. The article is about a show that has not yet aired and hasn't garnered any significant notability yet. The article is also poorly sourced. Seahorseruler (Talk Page) (Contribs) 03:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- delete no evidence of significant coverage. fails WP:NFF as well (applicable even if its a TV show and not a film). redirect to Ashok Banker would also be acceptable. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom Ch an der 15:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
DeleteRedirect in addition to the above reasons, the author of the page has been continually reverted for unambiguous advertising to Facebook pages and the like. Primefac ( talk) 15:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- Keep. Eh, has some significant coverage in secondary sources, including Best Media Info, IndianTelevision.com and the Times of India. Don't know how reliable the former two are, but they both contribute coverage that could make this more than a stub. If not, redirect to the list of programs broadcast by Colors, because redirects are cheap. 23W 23:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 11:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 11:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 00:56, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. Eurodyne ( talk) 01:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
- KeepThis is an upcoming TV series. The sources from Times Of India and Colors TV look reliable NEsha21 ( talk) 10:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @
NEsha21, upcoming when? Neither source gives a date for the premier, which means we may have this article in its current state for a long time. Just because a program LOOKS promising doesn't mean that it should have a placeholder until it is SHOWN to be successful.
Primefac (
talk) 11:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- And the "reliable" looking colors TV is obviously promoting a show on itself so is not independent a necessary requirement for a source that is being used to establish
whether third parties have found the subject notable. --
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Primefac, @ TheRedPenOfDoom: Is there no way this could be merged or redirected? It seems like it would be a useful search term, and I don't really see how this is promotional yet. 23W 00:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- And the "reliable" looking colors TV is obviously promoting a show on itself so is not independent a necessary requirement for a source that is being used to establish
whether third parties have found the subject notable. --
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- @
NEsha21, upcoming when? Neither source gives a date for the premier, which means we may have this article in its current state for a long time. Just because a program LOOKS promising doesn't mean that it should have a placeholder until it is SHOWN to be successful.
Primefac (
talk) 11:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
- Keep
Comment: It is probably a bit premature, but is deletion really going to help matters? If we can't simply wait, it could be redirected to the network to allow easy resurrection when the show debuts.-- Milowent • has spoken 00:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
-
Milowent, redirection is a perfectly acceptable outcome of an AfD discussion.
Primefac (
talk) 09:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course it is, but I also know AfD touches only a random selection of articles like this, we simply do not have the manpower currently to neatly redirect and then resurrect Indian TV series articles. As it is, most of these articles are in in poor shape.--
Milowent •
has
spoken 11:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- @ Milowent: redirect hasnt been tried in this particular instance, but it is my experience with these "soon to be released" TV shows that any attempt to convert them to redirects is undone in a matter of hours. and so without some formal establishment of community consensus via an AfD or RfC, its simply an edit war to try and maintain them as a redirect. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Of course it is, but I also know AfD touches only a random selection of articles like this, we simply do not have the manpower currently to neatly redirect and then resurrect Indian TV series articles. As it is, most of these articles are in in poor shape.--
Milowent •
has
spoken 11:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
-
Milowent, redirection is a perfectly acceptable outcome of an AfD discussion.
Primefac (
talk) 09:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of programs broadcast by Colors (with the history preserved under the redirect).
Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says:
I didn't find anything in the sources indicating that principal photography has commenced.Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun.
The history should be preserved under the redirect to allow easy resurrection, as noted by Milowent and 23W. As I wrote at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 July 19#Westshore Town Centre:
Cunard ( talk) 03:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)The only benefit of keeping the edit history deleted that I can see would be to prevent users from undoing the redirect and restoring the deleted content. But this is easily remedied by reverting the restoration and fully protecting the redirect.
A benefit of restoring the article's history would be to allow non-admins to see what the encyclopedia once said about the subject.
Using the deleted content for a merge is not the only benefit. Another example is that in the future if sources surface that demonstrate notability, the deleted content can be easily reviewed. Without needing to ask an admin, a non-admin could determine whether the deleted content could be used as the basis of a newly recreated article with the new sources. Deletion would hinder this.
In sum, the benefits of restoring the deleted content outweigh the negligible negatives, so the article's history should be restored under the redirect.
- Agreed with above, a merge and redirect to List of programs broadcast by Colors seems most appropriate at this stage and allows later for easy expansion of the article if the show goes live. -- Reinoutr ( talk) 14:17, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.