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The result was redirect to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking as an appropiate alternative to deletion. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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Non-notable company. Not finding anything besides mentions-in-passing for this company. None of the existing citations are valid links; no searches of the relevant publications' archives brings up any hits. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - not really finding much more than press releases. Plus the article was created, and over the years maintained by, users with obvious COIs. It's purely an advertising piece for the company and it's a miracle it's been here 10 years. Canterbury Tail talk 16:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete- given the blatant COI editors in the edit history I think even if it is notable to delete per WP:TNT. Tknifton ( talk) 17:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV and WP:NCORP. Three short mentions in articles does not make a company notable. Bearian ( talk) 02:03, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking
Keep and rename to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.- Viner, Brian (2002-05-13). "Pulling power". The Independent. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Brockes, Emma (2002-01-14). "Be my guest. When David Letterman wanted 10 of the world's most beautiful women to appear on his show and recite 10 things they love about him, who did he turn to? Emma Brockes meets Jo Jordan, the chatshow fixer who can provide you with anyone from Goldie Hawn to Tom Cruise". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Siegel, Tatiana (2005-12-06). "Niche-oriented". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2007-06-02. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Siegel, Tatiana (2007-10-05). "Booking talkshows spawns rigid rules". Variety. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Alexander, Zoë (2008-06-02). "She's Booking Ben Affleck!".
TV Guide. Vol. 56, no. 22.
ISSN
0039-8543.
The abstract notes:
I do not have access to the full text of the source, which had already been used in the Wikipedia article.The article focuses on the effort of Central Talent Booking owner Joanna Jordan to book a broad range of celebrities on television shows in the U.S. It relates that Jordan has been an in-house talent booker for the television show "Jimmy Kimmel Live." It offers information on her techniques in working such as reading the trades and watching the morning news shows at six in the morning and at 10a.m., she gathers her staff for a meeting.
- Comment: I
rewrote the article and reframed it to be about Joanne Jordan instead of Central Talent Booking, the company she founded and is the chief executive officer of. The sources primarily discuss Joanne Jordan and discuss Central Talent Booking in the context of Jordan's work on it. I support renaming to
Joanne Jordan (talent agent) since
Joanne Jordan already exists and is about an American actress and model who lived between 1920 and 2009.
Writing in The Independent, journalist Emma Brockes called Jordan "one of New York's most respected talent bookers".
Variety's Tatiana Siegel said Jordan "is considered one of the industry's premier bookers".
In a 2008 article, TV Guide referred to Jordan as the "force behind" the "I'm F-ing Ben Affleck" video.
- Comment If you want the article to be about Joanne Jordan, then create an article about Joanne Jordan. Don't co-opt an article about a different subject to be about something else. That's a just a
WP:Coatrack.
Canterbury Tail
talk
11:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have reverted Cunards attempt to co-opt the article to be about Joanne Jordan. Tknifton ( talk) 13:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If you want the article to be about Joanne Jordan, then create an article about Joanne Jordan. Don't co-opt an article about a different subject to be about something else. That's a just a
WP:Coatrack.
Canterbury Tail
talk
11:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment two of the account editors that had obvious COIs have been blocked for sockpuppetry. make of that what you will. Tknifton ( talk) 13:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: I
had rewritten the article to focus on Joanne Jordan. This
was reverted. I had used the original text as part of my rewrite so attribution is required. I found it cleaner to retain the history in the same article rather than create a separate page so that
Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Attribution is required for copyright is not needed.
In this AfD, my position is to rename the article to be about the talent agent (Joanne Jordan) instead of to be about the talent agency (Central Talent Booking) as the sources are more about the person rather the company. Wikipedia:Notability (people) applies instead of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). My rewrite provides the basis for the rename.
- Comment @ Cunard: If you think Joanne Jordan merits an article, than write the Joanne Jordan (talent agent) article. But the existing Central Talent Booking article still doesn't merit inclusion. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 11:49, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- I created Joanne Jordan (talent agent) and revised my position to be "redirect to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking". Since I had used some of the material in Central Talent Booking for Joanne Jordan (talent agent), the history of the article should be preserved under the redirect to comply with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking as an appropiate alternative to deletion. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Central Talent Booking ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non-notable company. Not finding anything besides mentions-in-passing for this company. None of the existing citations are valid links; no searches of the relevant publications' archives brings up any hits. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - not really finding much more than press releases. Plus the article was created, and over the years maintained by, users with obvious COIs. It's purely an advertising piece for the company and it's a miracle it's been here 10 years. Canterbury Tail talk 16:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete- given the blatant COI editors in the edit history I think even if it is notable to delete per WP:TNT. Tknifton ( talk) 17:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV and WP:NCORP. Three short mentions in articles does not make a company notable. Bearian ( talk) 02:03, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking
Keep and rename to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.- Viner, Brian (2002-05-13). "Pulling power". The Independent. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Brockes, Emma (2002-01-14). "Be my guest. When David Letterman wanted 10 of the world's most beautiful women to appear on his show and recite 10 things they love about him, who did he turn to? Emma Brockes meets Jo Jordan, the chatshow fixer who can provide you with anyone from Goldie Hawn to Tom Cruise". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Siegel, Tatiana (2005-12-06). "Niche-oriented". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on 2007-06-02. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Siegel, Tatiana (2007-10-05). "Booking talkshows spawns rigid rules". Variety. Archived from the original on 2020-04-26. Retrieved 2020-04-26.
- Alexander, Zoë (2008-06-02). "She's Booking Ben Affleck!".
TV Guide. Vol. 56, no. 22.
ISSN
0039-8543.
The abstract notes:
I do not have access to the full text of the source, which had already been used in the Wikipedia article.The article focuses on the effort of Central Talent Booking owner Joanna Jordan to book a broad range of celebrities on television shows in the U.S. It relates that Jordan has been an in-house talent booker for the television show "Jimmy Kimmel Live." It offers information on her techniques in working such as reading the trades and watching the morning news shows at six in the morning and at 10a.m., she gathers her staff for a meeting.
- Comment: I
rewrote the article and reframed it to be about Joanne Jordan instead of Central Talent Booking, the company she founded and is the chief executive officer of. The sources primarily discuss Joanne Jordan and discuss Central Talent Booking in the context of Jordan's work on it. I support renaming to
Joanne Jordan (talent agent) since
Joanne Jordan already exists and is about an American actress and model who lived between 1920 and 2009.
Writing in The Independent, journalist Emma Brockes called Jordan "one of New York's most respected talent bookers".
Variety's Tatiana Siegel said Jordan "is considered one of the industry's premier bookers".
In a 2008 article, TV Guide referred to Jordan as the "force behind" the "I'm F-ing Ben Affleck" video.
- Comment If you want the article to be about Joanne Jordan, then create an article about Joanne Jordan. Don't co-opt an article about a different subject to be about something else. That's a just a
WP:Coatrack.
Canterbury Tail
talk
11:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have reverted Cunards attempt to co-opt the article to be about Joanne Jordan. Tknifton ( talk) 13:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If you want the article to be about Joanne Jordan, then create an article about Joanne Jordan. Don't co-opt an article about a different subject to be about something else. That's a just a
WP:Coatrack.
Canterbury Tail
talk
11:39, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment two of the account editors that had obvious COIs have been blocked for sockpuppetry. make of that what you will. Tknifton ( talk) 13:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: I
had rewritten the article to focus on Joanne Jordan. This
was reverted. I had used the original text as part of my rewrite so attribution is required. I found it cleaner to retain the history in the same article rather than create a separate page so that
Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Attribution is required for copyright is not needed.
In this AfD, my position is to rename the article to be about the talent agent (Joanne Jordan) instead of to be about the talent agency (Central Talent Booking) as the sources are more about the person rather the company. Wikipedia:Notability (people) applies instead of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). My rewrite provides the basis for the rename.
- Comment @ Cunard: If you think Joanne Jordan merits an article, than write the Joanne Jordan (talent agent) article. But the existing Central Talent Booking article still doesn't merit inclusion. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 11:49, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- I created Joanne Jordan (talent agent) and revised my position to be "redirect to Joanne Jordan (talent agent)#Central Talent Booking". Since I had used some of the material in Central Talent Booking for Joanne Jordan (talent agent), the history of the article should be preserved under the redirect to comply with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.