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The result was keep. Keep both. Nakon 03:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Catherine Uhlmyer and Adella Wotherspoon
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These two people are simply the last two survivors of the PS General Slocum disaster. They did not have any significant role in the event and thus clearly fail WP:ONEEVENT. Note that both articles include one "fair use" image which should be deleted if these articles are deleted. They are both already mentioned at PS General Slocum#Survivors (where I found these articles). AHeneen ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep as creator. They were notable during three news cycles: 1) Surviving the Slocum in 1904 for which they were in the news as a survivors. 2) Then they were in the news as the oldest or second oldest survivor when interviewed by the New York Times in 1989 and 3) again in 2002 and 2004 when Catherine Uhlmyer (2002) and Adella Wotherspoon (2004) died with obituaries pulished for their deaths as the last or second to last survivors. See for instance the blue links at Last surviving United States war veterans, List of the verified oldest men, List of the verified oldest women, or Millvina Dean the last Titanic passenger to die. WP:ONEEVENT is for people who are in the news for one news cycle then disappear. These people are in the news through their lives with continued coverage until their deaths, and at their deaths get large obituaries in prominent newspapers, and magazines, and from news agencies. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, ONEEVENT refers to a noteworthy event, not the newscycle. These individuals can be adequately covered by a paragraph each in PS General Slocum#Survivors. There is nothing significant to say about these individuals. The articles mostly contain biographical information unrelated to the incident. Naturally, there will be something to say about an individual in an obituary, but these two did not receive significant coverage during their lifetime. The existence of articles for other last survivors and oldest people does not imply that this article is worthy of inclusion. There are many articles on those lists that likely fail WP:BIO and should be included on list articles rather than have their own page. For example, many blue wikilinks of Americans on the List of oldest men/women link to the person's entry at List of supercentenarians from the United States.
- Merge to PS General Slocum#Survivors as these are potential search terms. -- Samuel J. Howard ( talk) 21:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as meeting GNG. While they became notable for one event, as pointed out above, last survivors attract significant coverage as last survivors. For example, see the ten page entry on Wotherspoon in the aptly titled The Last Leaf: Voices of History's Last-Known Survivors. 24.151.10.165 ( talk) 21:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Keep both. Nakon 03:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Catherine Uhlmyer and Adella Wotherspoon
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These two people are simply the last two survivors of the PS General Slocum disaster. They did not have any significant role in the event and thus clearly fail WP:ONEEVENT. Note that both articles include one "fair use" image which should be deleted if these articles are deleted. They are both already mentioned at PS General Slocum#Survivors (where I found these articles). AHeneen ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep as creator. They were notable during three news cycles: 1) Surviving the Slocum in 1904 for which they were in the news as a survivors. 2) Then they were in the news as the oldest or second oldest survivor when interviewed by the New York Times in 1989 and 3) again in 2002 and 2004 when Catherine Uhlmyer (2002) and Adella Wotherspoon (2004) died with obituaries pulished for their deaths as the last or second to last survivors. See for instance the blue links at Last surviving United States war veterans, List of the verified oldest men, List of the verified oldest women, or Millvina Dean the last Titanic passenger to die. WP:ONEEVENT is for people who are in the news for one news cycle then disappear. These people are in the news through their lives with continued coverage until their deaths, and at their deaths get large obituaries in prominent newspapers, and magazines, and from news agencies. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:27, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, ONEEVENT refers to a noteworthy event, not the newscycle. These individuals can be adequately covered by a paragraph each in PS General Slocum#Survivors. There is nothing significant to say about these individuals. The articles mostly contain biographical information unrelated to the incident. Naturally, there will be something to say about an individual in an obituary, but these two did not receive significant coverage during their lifetime. The existence of articles for other last survivors and oldest people does not imply that this article is worthy of inclusion. There are many articles on those lists that likely fail WP:BIO and should be included on list articles rather than have their own page. For example, many blue wikilinks of Americans on the List of oldest men/women link to the person's entry at List of supercentenarians from the United States.
- Merge to PS General Slocum#Survivors as these are potential search terms. -- Samuel J. Howard ( talk) 21:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as meeting GNG. While they became notable for one event, as pointed out above, last survivors attract significant coverage as last survivors. For example, see the ten page entry on Wotherspoon in the aptly titled The Last Leaf: Voices of History's Last-Known Survivors. 24.151.10.165 ( talk) 21:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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