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The result was delete. § FreeRangeFrog croak 18:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Caroline Moreland (IRA murder victim)
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Yet another non-notable victim of the Norther Ireland troubles. No difference to the other 3,500 victims. I listed for speedy deletion and it was removed with an editor claiming it was a notable case without giving any reason. Consensus is against listing every victim of a conflict. There is nothing notable about either the person listed or the circumstances of their death. Dmol ( talk) 15:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as being non-notable. No lasting impact from the death of another person, no matter how tragic it was. Also this has been created by the same user who has created lots and lots and lots of similar non-notable articles. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:49, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- What relevance does an editor's list of contributions have to do with this AfD? You're making it sound personal...
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- No, I'm pointing they've created lots of these non-notable articles. Read my post again and also read WP:AGF. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- What relevance does an editor's list of contributions have to do with this AfD? You're making it sound personal...
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'm the person who removed the speedy tag. Dmol needs to remember that there's a big difference between "not notable" and "qualifies for A7 speedy deletion". The latter only requires importance, i.e. we need to be able to say "this isn't a completely run-of-the-mill person". Since she was apparently the last victim before the first ceasefire, there's a chance that she'd get more coverage than the typical victim, so it would be a disservice to interested editors to delete it without giving them a chance to dig for resources. I doubt that sufficient sources exist, so I tend to agree that deletion's the right course, but the situation's ambiguous, and we need to follow the speedy deletion policy: Administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases. Nyttend ( talk) 22:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. There have been a lot of debates on similar subjects over the past few days. Where not "speedily deleted", the debates that have been closed so far support the consensus that we should not have articles on the deaths of otherwise non-notable people as a result of terrorism. I'll therefore repeat what I have already said in other debates: whilst any death is tragic, and deaths due to natural disasters and conflicts, declared or undeclared, seem particularly so, it is our policy that the subjects of articles must be notable. For this reason we do not have articles on every soldier killed in a war, every victim of a pandemic, or everyone who died in a horrific disaster, though we will probably have articles on the war, pandemic or disaster in question. We do have articles about people who have died in such circumstances, but only where those people were already notable for other reasons. Although Ms Moreland's death was a tragedy she herself was not notable. It is not our place to provide personal memorials. RomanSpa ( talk) 06:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete As per previous posts this one although unfrotunate doesnt meet the criteria for WP:NOTE unfortunatly this isnt a place for memorials Amortias ( T)( C) 14:55, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. § FreeRangeFrog croak 18:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Caroline Moreland (IRA murder victim)
- Caroline Moreland (IRA murder victim) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Yet another non-notable victim of the Norther Ireland troubles. No difference to the other 3,500 victims. I listed for speedy deletion and it was removed with an editor claiming it was a notable case without giving any reason. Consensus is against listing every victim of a conflict. There is nothing notable about either the person listed or the circumstances of their death. Dmol ( talk) 15:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as being non-notable. No lasting impact from the death of another person, no matter how tragic it was. Also this has been created by the same user who has created lots and lots and lots of similar non-notable articles. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:49, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- What relevance does an editor's list of contributions have to do with this AfD? You're making it sound personal...
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- No, I'm pointing they've created lots of these non-notable articles. Read my post again and also read WP:AGF. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- What relevance does an editor's list of contributions have to do with this AfD? You're making it sound personal...
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I'm the person who removed the speedy tag. Dmol needs to remember that there's a big difference between "not notable" and "qualifies for A7 speedy deletion". The latter only requires importance, i.e. we need to be able to say "this isn't a completely run-of-the-mill person". Since she was apparently the last victim before the first ceasefire, there's a chance that she'd get more coverage than the typical victim, so it would be a disservice to interested editors to delete it without giving them a chance to dig for resources. I doubt that sufficient sources exist, so I tend to agree that deletion's the right course, but the situation's ambiguous, and we need to follow the speedy deletion policy: Administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases. Nyttend ( talk) 22:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. There have been a lot of debates on similar subjects over the past few days. Where not "speedily deleted", the debates that have been closed so far support the consensus that we should not have articles on the deaths of otherwise non-notable people as a result of terrorism. I'll therefore repeat what I have already said in other debates: whilst any death is tragic, and deaths due to natural disasters and conflicts, declared or undeclared, seem particularly so, it is our policy that the subjects of articles must be notable. For this reason we do not have articles on every soldier killed in a war, every victim of a pandemic, or everyone who died in a horrific disaster, though we will probably have articles on the war, pandemic or disaster in question. We do have articles about people who have died in such circumstances, but only where those people were already notable for other reasons. Although Ms Moreland's death was a tragedy she herself was not notable. It is not our place to provide personal memorials. RomanSpa ( talk) 06:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete As per previous posts this one although unfrotunate doesnt meet the criteria for WP:NOTE unfortunatly this isnt a place for memorials Amortias ( T)( C) 14:55, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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