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The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 13:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Listing of cardinals who did not participate in the 2013 conclave is completely non-notable as a group. Lacking participation in a notable event is not notable in itself, and this list seems to be an indiscriminate collection of information. TonyBallioni ( talk) 02:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete we do not make lists of what people did not do. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. The one-eyed Montanan horse thieves don't need company. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:46, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- Merge: to the 2013 papal conclave
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p 05:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- That article doesn't include a list of participants (and shouldn't in my opinion). Listing all the non-participants makes little sense, and there isn't anything else to merge that isn't already covered in there.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 14:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Aren't the list of participants listed somewhere?
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p 16:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- The 20th and 21st century models for conclaves is to list separately at articles such as Cardinal electors for the papal conclave, 2013. The thing here is that this is a listing of people who were excluded from participating in the conclave based on their age, which is not notable at all since it has been the law that all conclaves since 1978 have followed. This list is currently at ~90 non-participants, and merging them with the 115 cardinal electors for the conclave would also not really serve any purpose, and would only clutter that list. The other issue that I just realized with this particular list is that it is entirely based on Salvador Miranda, which is a self-published source that pops up frequently in conclave related articles, but which isn't a reliable source. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Aren't the list of participants listed somewhere?
p
b
p 16:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- That article doesn't include a list of participants (and shouldn't in my opinion). Listing all the non-participants makes little sense, and there isn't anything else to merge that isn't already covered in there.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 14:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Weak delete I don't see a List of Cardinals article that is a superset of this, but I suspect one exists. Power~enwiki ( talk) 06:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 13:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Cardinals over the age of 80 in Papal conclave, 2013 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Listing of cardinals who did not participate in the 2013 conclave is completely non-notable as a group. Lacking participation in a notable event is not notable in itself, and this list seems to be an indiscriminate collection of information. TonyBallioni ( talk) 02:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Jupitus Smart 08:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Jupitus Smart 08:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 13:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete we do not make lists of what people did not do. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. The one-eyed Montanan horse thieves don't need company. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:46, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- Merge: to the 2013 papal conclave
p
b
p 05:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- That article doesn't include a list of participants (and shouldn't in my opinion). Listing all the non-participants makes little sense, and there isn't anything else to merge that isn't already covered in there.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 14:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Aren't the list of participants listed somewhere?
p
b
p 16:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- The 20th and 21st century models for conclaves is to list separately at articles such as Cardinal electors for the papal conclave, 2013. The thing here is that this is a listing of people who were excluded from participating in the conclave based on their age, which is not notable at all since it has been the law that all conclaves since 1978 have followed. This list is currently at ~90 non-participants, and merging them with the 115 cardinal electors for the conclave would also not really serve any purpose, and would only clutter that list. The other issue that I just realized with this particular list is that it is entirely based on Salvador Miranda, which is a self-published source that pops up frequently in conclave related articles, but which isn't a reliable source. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Aren't the list of participants listed somewhere?
p
b
p 16:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- That article doesn't include a list of participants (and shouldn't in my opinion). Listing all the non-participants makes little sense, and there isn't anything else to merge that isn't already covered in there.
TonyBallioni (
talk) 14:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Weak delete I don't see a List of Cardinals article that is a superset of this, but I suspect one exists. Power~enwiki ( talk) 06:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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