- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. The arguments presented by the keep proponents are compelling, and apparently not disputed by the delete proponents. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 17:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
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Relisting at AfD per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 November 7. This is purely an administrative action, I have no opinion on the outcome. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete no more notable now than during the last AFD. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. Despite having one song "chart" at #47, there are few reliable secondary sources to support notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:20, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Chickadee46 talk 00:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Codd, Nathan (2015-05-19).
"Committing 'Murda': Josie Martin On Taking Candyland Solo". LessThan3. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
Billboard has an article about LessThan3 here. An editor-in-chief, managing editor, and editor are listed at http://www.lessthan3.com/about, which demonstrates there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Unless you’re a board game fanatic or a small child, the name Candyland conjures up images of two grinning faces who, despite their initial odd-couple vibe, seemed like the perfect pair on the surface. Fun-loving party jams and searing bass tunes on steady flow, Josie Martin and Ethan Davis looked to be headed out on the first stretch of a serious tear of a career powered by a never-ending sugar high of inventive tunes. But all is not gumdrops and licorice whips in Candy Castle, as Josie Martin, the iconic afro-rocking half of the Santa Barbara duo, has decided to split with her longtime friend and production partner Ethan Davis. Confectionary humor aside, Josie Martin is now heading down Candyland’s historically colorful path solo, and she says things are about to get a bit darker as she continues her sonic experiments as Candyland by herself.
Outside of music, Martin is no stranger to the darker side of life’s experiences. After moving 29 different times throughout the Santa Barbara area growing up, she was eventually without a place to stay, which was when she met Davis and the two started Candyland.
...
Martin first met Davis while playing at his 17th birthday party and, after about six months of performing and DJing under a different name, Candyland was born and with it, the production careers of Martin and Davis.
- Wood, Matt (2016-02-29).
"The 10 Best Concerts in Dallas this Week: Atmosphere, Nick Carter & More".
Dallas Observer. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
Candyland
7 p.m. Saturday, March 5, at Trees, 2709 Elm St., $14-$16
Josie Martin's carved her niche in the DJ world as both a songwriter and remixer. Under the name of Candyland, her songs have gotten hundreds of thousands of plays on SoundCloud and her music bridges the gap between house music, trap and dubstep to create songs that'll have you flailing with your worst dance moves as soon as the bass drops. MW
- Bein, Kat (2014-07-02).
"Candyland Will "Get Wild" at Revolution Live on July 12".
New Times Broward-Palm Beach. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
So, what's the appeal? Candyland's original productions, remixes, and edits are packed with as much high-power energy as 20 pixie-sticks straight to the vein. They'll drop anything with nasty bass; dubstep, trap, hardstyle, moombahton, electro house, drum 'n' bass, glitch hop, whatever. It's all about making the kids jump up and down and "Get Wild."
Santa Barbara natives Ethan Davis and Josie Martin bring the hype with them to every performance. You've never really seen a girl in a tutu twerk until you've seen her shake her ass for Candyland. Meanwhile, the DJs party just as hard as the kids in front of them. Their signature move is going absolutely bananas, like, way beyond the Jesus pose. Also, Martin has a really sweet afro, and that b*#ch knows what to do with it.
Candyland took the dance scene by storm in 2011, and their debut album, Bring the Rain, had singles topping not one but four different Beatport charts, as well as took the number three spot in the Overall Releases Top 100. They just finished slaying at the Budweiser Made in America festival, and next, the daring duo is coming to tear the roof off of Fort Lauderdale's Revolution Live on July 12.
- Sharova, Alexandra (2014-03-24).
"Candyland: Just a Boy and a Girl Playing Awesome Music". 7deadlymag. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.7deadlymag.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Don’t confuse this infectiously charming boy and girl DJ duo with the childhood boardgame. Candyland hails from Santa Barbara, California and carved a name for themselves after dropping insane beats that blend house and trap with everything from System of a Down to Lil Jon.
5 million Soundcloud plays deep, numerous chart toppers later — No. 1 on Dubstep Top 100, Electro House Top 100, Glitch Hop Top 100, etc. — and the co-ed duo is poised to be the next EDM epidemic. Before tearing up Orange County’s Sutra and leaving everyone a breathless, sweaty mess, 7 got the chance to catch up with Candyland.
- Weiner, Natalie (2015-05-18).
"Candyland Unleashes Unrelenting New Track 'Murda': Listen".
Billboard. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
Santa Barbara DJ Candyland (aka Josie Martin) has just dropped a brand-new banger. Titled "Murda," the dancehall-inflected track has drops for days, sure to please EDM fans everywhere.
...
As Martin prepares for Candyland's next release via Steve Aoki's Dim Mak label (out in June), she's amping up the volume with another new track as well -- her take on Major Lazer and DJ Snake's mega-hit "Lean On." You can download it free here.
- Vicious, Syd (2015-04-08).
"Ladies On Deck: Candyland". Your EDM. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.youredm.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Josie Martin got her first gig when she was 17 years old, DJing the birthday party of Ethan Davis, whom as fate would have it, she would go on to form what was originally the electro house duo Candyland with. Inspired by the late DJ AM, Josie initially focused on turn-tabling and scratching, but over time, she began to delve more and more into dance music as she and Ethan began to develop their sound. After winning back-to-back Beatport contests for their remixes of Skrillex’s “Make It Bun Dem” and Bingo Players’ “Rattle,” they released their debut album Bring the Rain on Spinnin’ Records, which would go on to chart at #3 on the Beatport Top 100. Soon after, the duo found themselves on a nationwide tour, with club and festival dates in Los Angeles, Denver, New York and Las Vegas, as well as opening for Krewella’s “Get Wet Live” tour.
- Miller, Kiera (2014-07-29).
"Aspire to Inspire 018: Candyland". Your EDM. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.youredm.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
For Josie Martin and Ethan Davis – the Santa Barbara-based duo we know as Candyland, the homeless population has a special place in their hearts.
That’s right. Both Josie and Ethan grew up in the same town of Santa Barbara, California and graduated high school the same year. When they met as teenagers (Josie was asked to DJ Ethan’s 17th birthday party), they were both aspiring musicians – Ethan played drums and Josie was DJing. When she learned that Ethan could drum, she asked him to drum next to her while she DJed, and so they formed a band called Empires And Riots. At the time, they really only did mashups, but then Ethan began to replace drumming with DJing and eventually they both got into producing as well. Josie’s dream was to also launch her own record label because she wanted to combine her two passions: music and business. They began spending a lot of time together, became good friends, and eventually decided to form the DJ/producer duo, Candyland.
...
Sooner than expected, they saw this dream actually turn into reality. Their hard work and persistence began to pay off. Just two years after they met, they won the Beatport remix contest for Bingo Players’ hit “Rattle”. Some of the biggest blogs in the music industry picked up their music and began supporting it…blasting their tunes all over the Internet. Once they developed a solid fan base, promoters and venues across the country were taking every opportunity they could to book Candyland. Soon Ethan and Josie found themselves touring daily – both by car and plane. As we know, often times with touring there is a lot of partying that usually results in little to no sleep. That being said, touring began to take a toll on Ethan. While on the road, after a rough breakup with his girlfriend, he fell victim to the “DJ” lifestyle and was drinking more than he intended. Drinking and the exhausting schedule led to a deep state of depression and to a very difficult decision. Ethan decided it was time to give touring and the music dream a temporary break in order to regain his strength and get back on his feet.
- Codd, Nathan (2015-05-19).
"Committing 'Murda': Josie Martin On Taking Candyland Solo". LessThan3. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
- The subject meets
WP:NMUSIC for having a charted single on
Billboard's
Dance/Electronic Songs chart.
From Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles:
From the guideline Wikipedia:Record charts#Suitable charts:Musicians or ensembles ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
3. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.
The subject had a charted single, Speechless, on Billboard's Dance/Electronic Songs chart, which the guideline says is suitable for inclusion. The dance chart "covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources". From http://www.billboard.com/charts/dance-electronic-songs:A chart is normally considered suitable for inclusion if it meets both of the following characteristics:
- It is published by a recognized reliable source. This includes any IFPI affiliate, Billboard magazine, or any organization with the support of Nielsen SoundScan. ...
- It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources.
Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)This week's most popular dance/electronic songs, based on radio airplay audience impressions as measured by Nielsen Music, sales data as compiled by Nielsen Music, club play, and streaming activity data from online music sources tracked by Nielsen Music.
- The subject meets
WP:NMUSIC for having a charted single on
Billboard's
Dance/Electronic Songs chart.
- Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Candyland (musician) participants and closer: TheMagnificentist ( talk · contribs), Jax 0677 ( talk · contribs), David Gerard ( talk · contribs), duffbeerforme ( talk · contribs), Nikthestunned ( talk · contribs), and Randykitty ( talk · contribs). Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: If the consensus is against a standalone article, I am fine with a merge/redirect to Speechless (Candyland song) (though I think there is enough coverage to establish notability per Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline). Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - It has a song charted on a national music chart (passes WP:MUSICBIO), has sufficient coverage (passes WP:BASIC) and the third ( WP:ANYBIO) mentioned by Magnolia677 is additional not obligatory. - TheMagnificentist ( talk) 06:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - " Speechless" charted on Billboard, and their other two songs have sufficient references, as does the short article that I wrote. The first AFD states "No prejudice against recreation if somebody can show notability and create a decent, non-promotional article", which is what I tried to do before it was deleted. The article was blown up and started over due to extensive reference bombing. The new article no longer has reference bombing, has 3 reviews, and if the three songs were merged into this article, it would likely be notable. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 21:04, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - The number of independent sources that have covered and interviewed Candyland, including YouTube video interviews not previously mentioned, suggests that this page should be kept. Candyland ocntinues to perform weekly across the country as well as produce music including but not limited to Speechless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18A:C201:A669:7C79:FEE:4485:3702 ( talk) 07:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. The arguments presented by the keep proponents are compelling, and apparently not disputed by the delete proponents. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 17:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
- Candyland (musician) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Relisting at AfD per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 November 7. This is purely an administrative action, I have no opinion on the outcome. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete no more notable now than during the last AFD. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. Despite having one song "chart" at #47, there are few reliable secondary sources to support notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:20, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Chickadee46 talk 00:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Codd, Nathan (2015-05-19).
"Committing 'Murda': Josie Martin On Taking Candyland Solo". LessThan3. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
Billboard has an article about LessThan3 here. An editor-in-chief, managing editor, and editor are listed at http://www.lessthan3.com/about, which demonstrates there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Unless you’re a board game fanatic or a small child, the name Candyland conjures up images of two grinning faces who, despite their initial odd-couple vibe, seemed like the perfect pair on the surface. Fun-loving party jams and searing bass tunes on steady flow, Josie Martin and Ethan Davis looked to be headed out on the first stretch of a serious tear of a career powered by a never-ending sugar high of inventive tunes. But all is not gumdrops and licorice whips in Candy Castle, as Josie Martin, the iconic afro-rocking half of the Santa Barbara duo, has decided to split with her longtime friend and production partner Ethan Davis. Confectionary humor aside, Josie Martin is now heading down Candyland’s historically colorful path solo, and she says things are about to get a bit darker as she continues her sonic experiments as Candyland by herself.
Outside of music, Martin is no stranger to the darker side of life’s experiences. After moving 29 different times throughout the Santa Barbara area growing up, she was eventually without a place to stay, which was when she met Davis and the two started Candyland.
...
Martin first met Davis while playing at his 17th birthday party and, after about six months of performing and DJing under a different name, Candyland was born and with it, the production careers of Martin and Davis.
- Wood, Matt (2016-02-29).
"The 10 Best Concerts in Dallas this Week: Atmosphere, Nick Carter & More".
Dallas Observer. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
Candyland
7 p.m. Saturday, March 5, at Trees, 2709 Elm St., $14-$16
Josie Martin's carved her niche in the DJ world as both a songwriter and remixer. Under the name of Candyland, her songs have gotten hundreds of thousands of plays on SoundCloud and her music bridges the gap between house music, trap and dubstep to create songs that'll have you flailing with your worst dance moves as soon as the bass drops. MW
- Bein, Kat (2014-07-02).
"Candyland Will "Get Wild" at Revolution Live on July 12".
New Times Broward-Palm Beach. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
So, what's the appeal? Candyland's original productions, remixes, and edits are packed with as much high-power energy as 20 pixie-sticks straight to the vein. They'll drop anything with nasty bass; dubstep, trap, hardstyle, moombahton, electro house, drum 'n' bass, glitch hop, whatever. It's all about making the kids jump up and down and "Get Wild."
Santa Barbara natives Ethan Davis and Josie Martin bring the hype with them to every performance. You've never really seen a girl in a tutu twerk until you've seen her shake her ass for Candyland. Meanwhile, the DJs party just as hard as the kids in front of them. Their signature move is going absolutely bananas, like, way beyond the Jesus pose. Also, Martin has a really sweet afro, and that b*#ch knows what to do with it.
Candyland took the dance scene by storm in 2011, and their debut album, Bring the Rain, had singles topping not one but four different Beatport charts, as well as took the number three spot in the Overall Releases Top 100. They just finished slaying at the Budweiser Made in America festival, and next, the daring duo is coming to tear the roof off of Fort Lauderdale's Revolution Live on July 12.
- Sharova, Alexandra (2014-03-24).
"Candyland: Just a Boy and a Girl Playing Awesome Music". 7deadlymag. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.7deadlymag.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Don’t confuse this infectiously charming boy and girl DJ duo with the childhood boardgame. Candyland hails from Santa Barbara, California and carved a name for themselves after dropping insane beats that blend house and trap with everything from System of a Down to Lil Jon.
5 million Soundcloud plays deep, numerous chart toppers later — No. 1 on Dubstep Top 100, Electro House Top 100, Glitch Hop Top 100, etc. — and the co-ed duo is poised to be the next EDM epidemic. Before tearing up Orange County’s Sutra and leaving everyone a breathless, sweaty mess, 7 got the chance to catch up with Candyland.
- Weiner, Natalie (2015-05-18).
"Candyland Unleashes Unrelenting New Track 'Murda': Listen".
Billboard. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
The article notes:
Santa Barbara DJ Candyland (aka Josie Martin) has just dropped a brand-new banger. Titled "Murda," the dancehall-inflected track has drops for days, sure to please EDM fans everywhere.
...
As Martin prepares for Candyland's next release via Steve Aoki's Dim Mak label (out in June), she's amping up the volume with another new track as well -- her take on Major Lazer and DJ Snake's mega-hit "Lean On." You can download it free here.
- Vicious, Syd (2015-04-08).
"Ladies On Deck: Candyland". Your EDM. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.youredm.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
Josie Martin got her first gig when she was 17 years old, DJing the birthday party of Ethan Davis, whom as fate would have it, she would go on to form what was originally the electro house duo Candyland with. Inspired by the late DJ AM, Josie initially focused on turn-tabling and scratching, but over time, she began to delve more and more into dance music as she and Ethan began to develop their sound. After winning back-to-back Beatport contests for their remixes of Skrillex’s “Make It Bun Dem” and Bingo Players’ “Rattle,” they released their debut album Bring the Rain on Spinnin’ Records, which would go on to chart at #3 on the Beatport Top 100. Soon after, the duo found themselves on a nationwide tour, with club and festival dates in Los Angeles, Denver, New York and Las Vegas, as well as opening for Krewella’s “Get Wet Live” tour.
- Miller, Kiera (2014-07-29).
"Aspire to Inspire 018: Candyland". Your EDM. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
An editor-in-chief and an editor are listed at http://www.youredm.com/about-us/, which demonstrates that there is editorial oversight.
The article notes:
For Josie Martin and Ethan Davis – the Santa Barbara-based duo we know as Candyland, the homeless population has a special place in their hearts.
That’s right. Both Josie and Ethan grew up in the same town of Santa Barbara, California and graduated high school the same year. When they met as teenagers (Josie was asked to DJ Ethan’s 17th birthday party), they were both aspiring musicians – Ethan played drums and Josie was DJing. When she learned that Ethan could drum, she asked him to drum next to her while she DJed, and so they formed a band called Empires And Riots. At the time, they really only did mashups, but then Ethan began to replace drumming with DJing and eventually they both got into producing as well. Josie’s dream was to also launch her own record label because she wanted to combine her two passions: music and business. They began spending a lot of time together, became good friends, and eventually decided to form the DJ/producer duo, Candyland.
...
Sooner than expected, they saw this dream actually turn into reality. Their hard work and persistence began to pay off. Just two years after they met, they won the Beatport remix contest for Bingo Players’ hit “Rattle”. Some of the biggest blogs in the music industry picked up their music and began supporting it…blasting their tunes all over the Internet. Once they developed a solid fan base, promoters and venues across the country were taking every opportunity they could to book Candyland. Soon Ethan and Josie found themselves touring daily – both by car and plane. As we know, often times with touring there is a lot of partying that usually results in little to no sleep. That being said, touring began to take a toll on Ethan. While on the road, after a rough breakup with his girlfriend, he fell victim to the “DJ” lifestyle and was drinking more than he intended. Drinking and the exhausting schedule led to a deep state of depression and to a very difficult decision. Ethan decided it was time to give touring and the music dream a temporary break in order to regain his strength and get back on his feet.
- Codd, Nathan (2015-05-19).
"Committing 'Murda': Josie Martin On Taking Candyland Solo". LessThan3. Archived from
the original on 2016-11-14. Retrieved 2016-11-14.
- The subject meets
WP:NMUSIC for having a charted single on
Billboard's
Dance/Electronic Songs chart.
From Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles:
From the guideline Wikipedia:Record charts#Suitable charts:Musicians or ensembles ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
3. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.
The subject had a charted single, Speechless, on Billboard's Dance/Electronic Songs chart, which the guideline says is suitable for inclusion. The dance chart "covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources". From http://www.billboard.com/charts/dance-electronic-songs:A chart is normally considered suitable for inclusion if it meets both of the following characteristics:
- It is published by a recognized reliable source. This includes any IFPI affiliate, Billboard magazine, or any organization with the support of Nielsen SoundScan. ...
- It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources.
Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)This week's most popular dance/electronic songs, based on radio airplay audience impressions as measured by Nielsen Music, sales data as compiled by Nielsen Music, club play, and streaming activity data from online music sources tracked by Nielsen Music.
- The subject meets
WP:NMUSIC for having a charted single on
Billboard's
Dance/Electronic Songs chart.
- Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Candyland (musician) participants and closer: TheMagnificentist ( talk · contribs), Jax 0677 ( talk · contribs), David Gerard ( talk · contribs), duffbeerforme ( talk · contribs), Nikthestunned ( talk · contribs), and Randykitty ( talk · contribs). Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: If the consensus is against a standalone article, I am fine with a merge/redirect to Speechless (Candyland song) (though I think there is enough coverage to establish notability per Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline). Cunard ( talk) 01:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - It has a song charted on a national music chart (passes WP:MUSICBIO), has sufficient coverage (passes WP:BASIC) and the third ( WP:ANYBIO) mentioned by Magnolia677 is additional not obligatory. - TheMagnificentist ( talk) 06:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - " Speechless" charted on Billboard, and their other two songs have sufficient references, as does the short article that I wrote. The first AFD states "No prejudice against recreation if somebody can show notability and create a decent, non-promotional article", which is what I tried to do before it was deleted. The article was blown up and started over due to extensive reference bombing. The new article no longer has reference bombing, has 3 reviews, and if the three songs were merged into this article, it would likely be notable. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 21:04, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - The number of independent sources that have covered and interviewed Candyland, including YouTube video interviews not previously mentioned, suggests that this page should be kept. Candyland ocntinues to perform weekly across the country as well as produce music including but not limited to Speechless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18A:C201:A669:7C79:FEE:4485:3702 ( talk) 07:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.