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The result was redirect to Canadian Soccer League. Fenix down ( talk) 21:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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Has never played for national cup and only primary sources. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - I could be being dense but I can't see this club mentioned at Canadian Soccer League? So delete. If the team is left then redirect. Giant Snowman 09:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Just REdirect to Canadian Soccer LEague. They're not playing in 2020 because of covid, which is why they're not listed as a current team, but they did play the past couple of years and are expected to come back next year. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 16:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Redirect - plausible search term Spiderone 11:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not sure redirecting is a viable outcome here as I cant see them mentioned either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Not sure redirecting is a viable outcome here as I cant see them mentioned either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - since we don't know for certain what will happen, we can't assume that the team will be notable so I'm changing to 'delete' for this Spiderone 17:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- I added them to the lifetime results tables in the Canadian Soccer League article. They are in the 2018 season and 2019 season articles, so I feel a re-direct is appropriate, especially now that their results are included in the lifetime stats section of the league article. The 2020 season article also mentions how they were initially set to participate in 2020. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 22:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League. I don't understand why User:Spiderone changed to delete ... if they played in 2018 and 2019, and are discussed in the 2020 league article, and discussed in the target, and are planning to play in 2021 ... why delete? Notability isn't temporary. Nfitz ( talk) 03:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm now not that convinced that redirecting is an appropriate outcome. If a footballer fails GNG and NFOOTY, do we redirect the article to the club that they play for? No. So why do we redirect a non-notable club to a league?
Spiderone
09:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Surely, I'm not the only person who has seen a local team listed in the newspaper or online schedule, and typed the name into Wikipedia to find out a bit more, and hope to find a link to their website. This doesn't tend to happen to unnotable players. It's a plausible search term; redirects are cheap. It's not like every other team in this league doesn't already have a page. The league itself could never be listed at FPL because it's not sanctioned by FIFA ... so FPL applies to it no more than it applies to the local tiddlywinks team.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have never done that. I use this nifty website called "Google" to show me links to the web. I imagine I'm the only one who uses that tool. But then again, I have not read a newspaper since Mandela died. Now a better question is are you referencing this team specifically or any team that shows up in your daily reading?
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- re: Nfitz comment, I think the league may have used to be FPL because it was previously sanctioned (it was sanctioned for sure by the Canadian Soccer Association), but after 2013 there were multiple scandals, including match fixing and other violations, that the CSA did not want anymore association with them and began the process of forming a
new league. As Nfitz said, I feel a re-direct is still appropriate
RedPatchBoy (
talk)
00:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure users who never look at a newspaper are typical
User:Walter Görlitz. In this case though, because it's local ... on the rare occasion the house is empty on the weekend, I've looked around to see if there are any local games to go do ... and I've certainly seen games in this league being played while passing local pitches ... less so since OL1 became more dominant. In semi-professional leagues like this (which are covered by the international betting operations), I find Google not particularly reliable. I agree with
User:RedPatchBoy here ..., even if I seldom stand in 112 :) .
Nfitz (
talk)
21:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the facts. More papers go out of business on a monthly basis. Online is where most people get their news today. If you want, I can post the actual stats, or you can actually look for them.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- One of the most historic, biggest, and most important newspapers in the country has been online only for a couple of years. People still read it, and it's still called a newspaper. Surely the message is the media, not the medium
User:Walter Görlitz! Now personally, I do get printed paper - mostly because with two kids in the house, I find that they never, ever, pick up a device and read the news. But if I leave it lying around on the table, they become much less ignorant of the bigger world ... that and it provides me with free online access.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
-
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2015/an-experts-forecast-canada-will-have-few-if-any-print-newspapers-by-2025/ and about 35,500,000 other online sources. search for newspaper circulation Canada over time. News print is nearly dead.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
User:Walter Görlitz, why are you talking about newsprint? It's not relevant. Newspapers still exist after newsprint is dead. Have you stopped phoning people after they got rid of rotary dials on telephones, making it impossible to dial a number?
Nfitz (
talk)
15:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Because you raised it as a possible source.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
20:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- One, I never said it was a source - I said I tend to turn to Wikipedia for teams that play at this level - oh, and look, every other team in the league has an article. At the same time, I'm only pushing for a redirect - how isn't redirect to the league almost always the right outcome when every other team in the league has a proper article? Two, how is "newspaper or online schedule" got anything to do with newsprint? I never see those local teams covered in the national papers ... I only see them on the mostly online local newspapers (I suppose you might get paper in the right 10-block area ...). I don't know how you even jumped to newsprint here ... especially given how many major papers have now gone 100% digital, relatively successfully.
Nfitz (
talk)
01:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
-
WP:OSE. We can address the notability of every other team in the league after this AfD closes.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
05:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- This is a Snow redirect ... AFDing any other articles for teams still in the league, rather than simply redirecting them, would violate WP:POINT. Also, they ALL have much more history and achievements than this team (with the possible exception of Hamilton) so may achieve GNG. Some have even played in national and international cup competitions. Nfitz ( talk) 19:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
-
WP:OSE. We can address the notability of every other team in the league after this AfD closes.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
05:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- One, I never said it was a source - I said I tend to turn to Wikipedia for teams that play at this level - oh, and look, every other team in the league has an article. At the same time, I'm only pushing for a redirect - how isn't redirect to the league almost always the right outcome when every other team in the league has a proper article? Two, how is "newspaper or online schedule" got anything to do with newsprint? I never see those local teams covered in the national papers ... I only see them on the mostly online local newspapers (I suppose you might get paper in the right 10-block area ...). I don't know how you even jumped to newsprint here ... especially given how many major papers have now gone 100% digital, relatively successfully.
Nfitz (
talk)
01:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Because you raised it as a possible source.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
20:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
User:Walter Görlitz, why are you talking about newsprint? It's not relevant. Newspapers still exist after newsprint is dead. Have you stopped phoning people after they got rid of rotary dials on telephones, making it impossible to dial a number?
Nfitz (
talk)
15:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2015/an-experts-forecast-canada-will-have-few-if-any-print-newspapers-by-2025/ and about 35,500,000 other online sources. search for newspaper circulation Canada over time. News print is nearly dead.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- One of the most historic, biggest, and most important newspapers in the country has been online only for a couple of years. People still read it, and it's still called a newspaper. Surely the message is the media, not the medium
User:Walter Görlitz! Now personally, I do get printed paper - mostly because with two kids in the house, I find that they never, ever, pick up a device and read the news. But if I leave it lying around on the table, they become much less ignorant of the bigger world ... that and it provides me with free online access.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the facts. More papers go out of business on a monthly basis. Online is where most people get their news today. If you want, I can post the actual stats, or you can actually look for them.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure users who never look at a newspaper are typical
User:Walter Görlitz. In this case though, because it's local ... on the rare occasion the house is empty on the weekend, I've looked around to see if there are any local games to go do ... and I've certainly seen games in this league being played while passing local pitches ... less so since OL1 became more dominant. In semi-professional leagues like this (which are covered by the international betting operations), I find Google not particularly reliable. I agree with
User:RedPatchBoy here ..., even if I seldom stand in 112 :) .
Nfitz (
talk)
21:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- re: Nfitz comment, I think the league may have used to be FPL because it was previously sanctioned (it was sanctioned for sure by the Canadian Soccer Association), but after 2013 there were multiple scandals, including match fixing and other violations, that the CSA did not want anymore association with them and began the process of forming a
new league. As Nfitz said, I feel a re-direct is still appropriate
RedPatchBoy (
talk)
00:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have never done that. I use this nifty website called "Google" to show me links to the web. I imagine I'm the only one who uses that tool. But then again, I have not read a newspaper since Mandela died. Now a better question is are you referencing this team specifically or any team that shows up in your daily reading?
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Surely, I'm not the only person who has seen a local team listed in the newspaper or online schedule, and typed the name into Wikipedia to find out a bit more, and hope to find a link to their website. This doesn't tend to happen to unnotable players. It's a plausible search term; redirects are cheap. It's not like every other team in this league doesn't already have a page. The league itself could never be listed at FPL because it's not sanctioned by FIFA ... so FPL applies to it no more than it applies to the local tiddlywinks team.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm now not that convinced that redirecting is an appropriate outcome. If a footballer fails GNG and NFOOTY, do we redirect the article to the club that they play for? No. So why do we redirect a non-notable club to a league?
Spiderone
09:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League. Maybe the club might receive coverage from secondary sources in the future it's always a possibility. Shotgun pete ( talk) 3:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League search term. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 15:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to Canadian Soccer League. Fenix down ( talk) 21:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
CSC Mississauga
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Has never played for national cup and only primary sources. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I could be being dense but I can't see this club mentioned at Canadian Soccer League? So delete. If the team is left then redirect. Giant Snowman 09:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Just REdirect to Canadian Soccer LEague. They're not playing in 2020 because of covid, which is why they're not listed as a current team, but they did play the past couple of years and are expected to come back next year. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 16:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Redirect - plausible search term Spiderone 11:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not sure redirecting is a viable outcome here as I cant see them mentioned either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Not sure redirecting is a viable outcome here as I cant see them mentioned either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - since we don't know for certain what will happen, we can't assume that the team will be notable so I'm changing to 'delete' for this Spiderone 17:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- I added them to the lifetime results tables in the Canadian Soccer League article. They are in the 2018 season and 2019 season articles, so I feel a re-direct is appropriate, especially now that their results are included in the lifetime stats section of the league article. The 2020 season article also mentions how they were initially set to participate in 2020. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 22:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League. I don't understand why User:Spiderone changed to delete ... if they played in 2018 and 2019, and are discussed in the 2020 league article, and discussed in the target, and are planning to play in 2021 ... why delete? Notability isn't temporary. Nfitz ( talk) 03:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm now not that convinced that redirecting is an appropriate outcome. If a footballer fails GNG and NFOOTY, do we redirect the article to the club that they play for? No. So why do we redirect a non-notable club to a league?
Spiderone
09:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Surely, I'm not the only person who has seen a local team listed in the newspaper or online schedule, and typed the name into Wikipedia to find out a bit more, and hope to find a link to their website. This doesn't tend to happen to unnotable players. It's a plausible search term; redirects are cheap. It's not like every other team in this league doesn't already have a page. The league itself could never be listed at FPL because it's not sanctioned by FIFA ... so FPL applies to it no more than it applies to the local tiddlywinks team.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have never done that. I use this nifty website called "Google" to show me links to the web. I imagine I'm the only one who uses that tool. But then again, I have not read a newspaper since Mandela died. Now a better question is are you referencing this team specifically or any team that shows up in your daily reading?
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- re: Nfitz comment, I think the league may have used to be FPL because it was previously sanctioned (it was sanctioned for sure by the Canadian Soccer Association), but after 2013 there were multiple scandals, including match fixing and other violations, that the CSA did not want anymore association with them and began the process of forming a
new league. As Nfitz said, I feel a re-direct is still appropriate
RedPatchBoy (
talk)
00:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure users who never look at a newspaper are typical
User:Walter Görlitz. In this case though, because it's local ... on the rare occasion the house is empty on the weekend, I've looked around to see if there are any local games to go do ... and I've certainly seen games in this league being played while passing local pitches ... less so since OL1 became more dominant. In semi-professional leagues like this (which are covered by the international betting operations), I find Google not particularly reliable. I agree with
User:RedPatchBoy here ..., even if I seldom stand in 112 :) .
Nfitz (
talk)
21:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the facts. More papers go out of business on a monthly basis. Online is where most people get their news today. If you want, I can post the actual stats, or you can actually look for them.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- One of the most historic, biggest, and most important newspapers in the country has been online only for a couple of years. People still read it, and it's still called a newspaper. Surely the message is the media, not the medium
User:Walter Görlitz! Now personally, I do get printed paper - mostly because with two kids in the house, I find that they never, ever, pick up a device and read the news. But if I leave it lying around on the table, they become much less ignorant of the bigger world ... that and it provides me with free online access.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
-
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2015/an-experts-forecast-canada-will-have-few-if-any-print-newspapers-by-2025/ and about 35,500,000 other online sources. search for newspaper circulation Canada over time. News print is nearly dead.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
User:Walter Görlitz, why are you talking about newsprint? It's not relevant. Newspapers still exist after newsprint is dead. Have you stopped phoning people after they got rid of rotary dials on telephones, making it impossible to dial a number?
Nfitz (
talk)
15:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Because you raised it as a possible source.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
20:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- One, I never said it was a source - I said I tend to turn to Wikipedia for teams that play at this level - oh, and look, every other team in the league has an article. At the same time, I'm only pushing for a redirect - how isn't redirect to the league almost always the right outcome when every other team in the league has a proper article? Two, how is "newspaper or online schedule" got anything to do with newsprint? I never see those local teams covered in the national papers ... I only see them on the mostly online local newspapers (I suppose you might get paper in the right 10-block area ...). I don't know how you even jumped to newsprint here ... especially given how many major papers have now gone 100% digital, relatively successfully.
Nfitz (
talk)
01:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
-
WP:OSE. We can address the notability of every other team in the league after this AfD closes.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
05:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- This is a Snow redirect ... AFDing any other articles for teams still in the league, rather than simply redirecting them, would violate WP:POINT. Also, they ALL have much more history and achievements than this team (with the possible exception of Hamilton) so may achieve GNG. Some have even played in national and international cup competitions. Nfitz ( talk) 19:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
-
WP:OSE. We can address the notability of every other team in the league after this AfD closes.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
05:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- One, I never said it was a source - I said I tend to turn to Wikipedia for teams that play at this level - oh, and look, every other team in the league has an article. At the same time, I'm only pushing for a redirect - how isn't redirect to the league almost always the right outcome when every other team in the league has a proper article? Two, how is "newspaper or online schedule" got anything to do with newsprint? I never see those local teams covered in the national papers ... I only see them on the mostly online local newspapers (I suppose you might get paper in the right 10-block area ...). I don't know how you even jumped to newsprint here ... especially given how many major papers have now gone 100% digital, relatively successfully.
Nfitz (
talk)
01:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- Because you raised it as a possible source.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
20:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
User:Walter Görlitz, why are you talking about newsprint? It's not relevant. Newspapers still exist after newsprint is dead. Have you stopped phoning people after they got rid of rotary dials on telephones, making it impossible to dial a number?
Nfitz (
talk)
15:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
-
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2015/an-experts-forecast-canada-will-have-few-if-any-print-newspapers-by-2025/ and about 35,500,000 other online sources. search for newspaper circulation Canada over time. News print is nearly dead.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- One of the most historic, biggest, and most important newspapers in the country has been online only for a couple of years. People still read it, and it's still called a newspaper. Surely the message is the media, not the medium
User:Walter Görlitz! Now personally, I do get printed paper - mostly because with two kids in the house, I find that they never, ever, pick up a device and read the news. But if I leave it lying around on the table, they become much less ignorant of the bigger world ... that and it provides me with free online access.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the facts. More papers go out of business on a monthly basis. Online is where most people get their news today. If you want, I can post the actual stats, or you can actually look for them.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
04:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure users who never look at a newspaper are typical
User:Walter Görlitz. In this case though, because it's local ... on the rare occasion the house is empty on the weekend, I've looked around to see if there are any local games to go do ... and I've certainly seen games in this league being played while passing local pitches ... less so since OL1 became more dominant. In semi-professional leagues like this (which are covered by the international betting operations), I find Google not particularly reliable. I agree with
User:RedPatchBoy here ..., even if I seldom stand in 112 :) .
Nfitz (
talk)
21:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- re: Nfitz comment, I think the league may have used to be FPL because it was previously sanctioned (it was sanctioned for sure by the Canadian Soccer Association), but after 2013 there were multiple scandals, including match fixing and other violations, that the CSA did not want anymore association with them and began the process of forming a
new league. As Nfitz said, I feel a re-direct is still appropriate
RedPatchBoy (
talk)
00:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have never done that. I use this nifty website called "Google" to show me links to the web. I imagine I'm the only one who uses that tool. But then again, I have not read a newspaper since Mandela died. Now a better question is are you referencing this team specifically or any team that shows up in your daily reading?
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Surely, I'm not the only person who has seen a local team listed in the newspaper or online schedule, and typed the name into Wikipedia to find out a bit more, and hope to find a link to their website. This doesn't tend to happen to unnotable players. It's a plausible search term; redirects are cheap. It's not like every other team in this league doesn't already have a page. The league itself could never be listed at FPL because it's not sanctioned by FIFA ... so FPL applies to it no more than it applies to the local tiddlywinks team.
Nfitz (
talk)
19:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm now not that convinced that redirecting is an appropriate outcome. If a footballer fails GNG and NFOOTY, do we redirect the article to the club that they play for? No. So why do we redirect a non-notable club to a league?
Spiderone
09:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League. Maybe the club might receive coverage from secondary sources in the future it's always a possibility. Shotgun pete ( talk) 3:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Canadian Soccer League search term. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 15:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.