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The result was no consensus. Defaulting to Keep w/o prejudice to a renomination at a future date. However I would encourage waiting a bit before sending this back to AfD to allow time for possible improvements in the article or clarification on how SUSTAINED the coverage is. Ad Orientem ( talk) 00:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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Simply TOOSOON. It looks like she won Top Model yesterday, which means she's in her "15 minutes of fame" and fails WP:BLP1E. Maybe try again in six months to a year? Primefac ( talk) 15:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- I also note that it's the twelfth season of the show, and if American Idol or X Factor are any indication, the further along we get the less notable these people become. Primefac ( talk) 15:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep all the other winners have pages, the newest winner should have a presumption of notability as well. I might support an AfD of one of the 11 previous winners if they are not notable. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep it. The page is great!!! PantherLoop ( talk) 21:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC) copied from the talk page. Primefac ( talk) 22:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: This page is notable and possesses citation, if as meager as the content in the article. – Vami _IV✠ 10:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting this as none of the Keep comments addressed the actual requirements of GNG/BIO – if any !voter wishes clarification, they can contact me on my talk page please; (an acknowledgement to Primefac for copying the talk page comments too to this Afd.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 12:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting this as none of the Keep comments addressed the actual requirements of GNG/BIO – if any !voter wishes clarification, they can contact me on my talk page please; (an acknowledgement to Primefac for copying the talk page comments too to this Afd.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 12:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The only possible claim for BIO is "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per point 1 of WP:ANYBIO. Would be okay with a redirect to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12). Linguist talk| contribs 22:44, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ignoring the earliest three !votes as not policy-based, there is still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 ( talk) 13:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Ignoring the earliest three !votes as not policy-based, there is still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 ( talk) 13:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. This is on the bubble in terms of notability IMHO -- hinging on whether Germany's Next Top Model is a "significant" award -- but it's currently in okay shape. And, yes, the previous winners are already here too. -- Lockley ( talk) 23:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Well known competition, many search results come up in German - perhaps someone who speaks German can confirm reliable sourcing for those? Earnsthearthrob ( talk) 16:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- DELETE - Fails to WP:TOOSOON and WP:SUSTAINED. I don't think she warrants an article at this point, she needs more coverage over more time. - GretLomborg ( talk) 03:27, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- REDIRECT to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12), she's notable enough to be mentioned in that article, but not yet notable enough for a stand-alone article. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12). A plausible search term, but it's WP:TOOSOON (per available sources) for a stand-alone article. Not notable independent of the show, hence the redirect. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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- Wrong forum or Keep No arguments for deletion have been made by any participant. Nor is there any reason to suspect that deletion arguments exist to delete either the topic or the edit history. As per WP:Deletion policy#CONTENT, disputes that are attempts to use the deletion process for content discussion should be moved to the talk page of the article. Indeed, as per WP:BEFORE, a deletion discussion should have been preceded with discussions on the talk page of the article, which we don't have. So all paths lead to the talk page and away from deletion specialists making content decisions. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - The arguments supporting this position appear to clearly be stronger. While WP:TOOSOON is a valid concern, notability is also not temporary, and consensus has been that any winner of a national competition like this (as opposed to runners-up or other mere contestants) is notable. Onel5969 TT me 22:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Defaulting to Keep w/o prejudice to a renomination at a future date. However I would encourage waiting a bit before sending this back to AfD to allow time for possible improvements in the article or clarification on how SUSTAINED the coverage is. Ad Orientem ( talk) 00:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- Céline Bethmann ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Simply TOOSOON. It looks like she won Top Model yesterday, which means she's in her "15 minutes of fame" and fails WP:BLP1E. Maybe try again in six months to a year? Primefac ( talk) 15:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- I also note that it's the twelfth season of the show, and if American Idol or X Factor are any indication, the further along we get the less notable these people become. Primefac ( talk) 15:28, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep all the other winners have pages, the newest winner should have a presumption of notability as well. I might support an AfD of one of the 11 previous winners if they are not notable. Power~enwiki ( talk) 18:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ( T/ C) 18:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ( T/ C) 18:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep it. The page is great!!! PantherLoop ( talk) 21:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC) copied from the talk page. Primefac ( talk) 22:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: This page is notable and possesses citation, if as meager as the content in the article. – Vami _IV✠ 10:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting this as none of the Keep comments addressed the actual requirements of GNG/BIO – if any !voter wishes clarification, they can contact me on my talk page please; (an acknowledgement to Primefac for copying the talk page comments too to this Afd.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 12:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting this as none of the Keep comments addressed the actual requirements of GNG/BIO – if any !voter wishes clarification, they can contact me on my talk page please; (an acknowledgement to Primefac for copying the talk page comments too to this Afd.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 12:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
- Comment The only possible claim for BIO is "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Power~enwiki ( talk) 19:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per point 1 of WP:ANYBIO. Would be okay with a redirect to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12). Linguist talk| contribs 22:44, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ignoring the earliest three !votes as not policy-based, there is still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 ( talk) 13:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Ignoring the earliest three !votes as not policy-based, there is still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 ( talk) 13:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. This is on the bubble in terms of notability IMHO -- hinging on whether Germany's Next Top Model is a "significant" award -- but it's currently in okay shape. And, yes, the previous winners are already here too. -- Lockley ( talk) 23:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Well known competition, many search results come up in German - perhaps someone who speaks German can confirm reliable sourcing for those? Earnsthearthrob ( talk) 16:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- DELETE - Fails to WP:TOOSOON and WP:SUSTAINED. I don't think she warrants an article at this point, she needs more coverage over more time. - GretLomborg ( talk) 03:27, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- REDIRECT to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12), she's notable enough to be mentioned in that article, but not yet notable enough for a stand-alone article. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Germany's Next Topmodel (cycle 12). A plausible search term, but it's WP:TOOSOON (per available sources) for a stand-alone article. Not notable independent of the show, hence the redirect. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- Wrong forum or Keep No arguments for deletion have been made by any participant. Nor is there any reason to suspect that deletion arguments exist to delete either the topic or the edit history. As per WP:Deletion policy#CONTENT, disputes that are attempts to use the deletion process for content discussion should be moved to the talk page of the article. Indeed, as per WP:BEFORE, a deletion discussion should have been preceded with discussions on the talk page of the article, which we don't have. So all paths lead to the talk page and away from deletion specialists making content decisions. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - The arguments supporting this position appear to clearly be stronger. While WP:TOOSOON is a valid concern, notability is also not temporary, and consensus has been that any winner of a national competition like this (as opposed to runners-up or other mere contestants) is notable. Onel5969 TT me 22:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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