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The result was keep. There's no consensus to delete the content. A possible merger does not require an additional relist. Star Mississippi 02:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Bulla cake
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Dosen't comply with WP:GNG, as there aren't any reliable "'published"' sources to support the object (possible sources are mostly blogs). And according to WP:NOTE and WP:V, "if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article" (from WP:NOTE). I came to conclude that this article should be deleted as it dosen't comply with the guidlines. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 ( 🗣️💬 | 📖📚) 23:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Possible sources include the government of Jamaica, as this is a staple item of the NPL menu in schools, at least according to an UNFAO report on school feeding programmes in Jamaica ( ISBN 9789251343975 page 94) that came up when I looked for this. Uncle G ( talk) 23:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge to List of Jamaican dishes. While acknowledging the difficulty in sourcing this article, I do think that food articles in general are vulnerable to systemic bias in terms of source availability, and it's always been of some surprise to me that an WP:SNG has not developed for food articles. The most convincing news article about bulla cakes would probably be this article from the Jamaica Gleaner about its removal from school lunches. Its presence in the Afro-Caribbean diet is corroborated in the Multicultural Handbook of Food, Nutrition, and Dietetics. Besides these references, a Google Books search indicates that bulla cakes are mentioned frequently in Jamaican cookbooks and in Jamaican literature as a quintessential part of Jamaican life, which leads me to believe that bulla cakes might be a victim of obscurity through ubiquity. This doesn't necessarily satisfy GNG per se, but it does indicate that the encyclopedia is not impoverished in having information about bulla cakes, whether in stand alone form or merged into the main List of Jamaican dishes. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge to List of Jamaican dishes. The sources presented by Uncle G and Bibliomaniac15 seem to indicate a documented cultural resonance. Merge before delete, please. BusterD ( talk) 20:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: So... are we keeping or merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I really think this is a case of WP:BEFORE. There is a full article on the subject of how to make Bulla cookies in the Wall Street Journal, of all places: [1]. As User:Bibliomaniac15 points out, The Gleaner, Jamaica's newspaper of record, has an article [2] deploring that "Bullas [are] to be removed from schools", and another one here [3]. A quick glance at google news has plenty of other articles from WP:RS where Bulla cakes are not the main subject, but a significant part of, or mentioned in, the article: [4], [5] [6]. Fiachra10003 ( talk) 15:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.wsj.com/articles/bulla-cookies-11607122606
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20180823/bullas-be-removed-schools-tufton-appeals-support-teachers-help
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20181006/reid-defends-removal-bullas-schools
- ^ https://www.post-gazette.com/life/dining/2015/02/26/Munch-goes-to-Leon-s-Caribbean-Restaurant-Warrenington-Avenue-Allentown-section-of-Pittsburgh/stories/201502260021
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140505/cleisure/cleisure3.html
- ^ https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/jamaican-native-brings-tastes-of-the-island-to-spring-hill/2211305/
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The result was keep. There's no consensus to delete the content. A possible merger does not require an additional relist. Star Mississippi 02:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Bulla cake
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Dosen't comply with WP:GNG, as there aren't any reliable "'published"' sources to support the object (possible sources are mostly blogs). And according to WP:NOTE and WP:V, "if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article" (from WP:NOTE). I came to conclude that this article should be deleted as it dosen't comply with the guidlines. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 ( 🗣️💬 | 📖📚) 23:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 ( 🗣️💬 | 📖📚) 23:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 ( 🗣️💬 | 📖📚) 23:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Jamaica-related deletion discussions. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 ( 🗣️💬 | 📖📚) 23:11, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Possible sources include the government of Jamaica, as this is a staple item of the NPL menu in schools, at least according to an UNFAO report on school feeding programmes in Jamaica ( ISBN 9789251343975 page 94) that came up when I looked for this. Uncle G ( talk) 23:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge to List of Jamaican dishes. While acknowledging the difficulty in sourcing this article, I do think that food articles in general are vulnerable to systemic bias in terms of source availability, and it's always been of some surprise to me that an WP:SNG has not developed for food articles. The most convincing news article about bulla cakes would probably be this article from the Jamaica Gleaner about its removal from school lunches. Its presence in the Afro-Caribbean diet is corroborated in the Multicultural Handbook of Food, Nutrition, and Dietetics. Besides these references, a Google Books search indicates that bulla cakes are mentioned frequently in Jamaican cookbooks and in Jamaican literature as a quintessential part of Jamaican life, which leads me to believe that bulla cakes might be a victim of obscurity through ubiquity. This doesn't necessarily satisfy GNG per se, but it does indicate that the encyclopedia is not impoverished in having information about bulla cakes, whether in stand alone form or merged into the main List of Jamaican dishes. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge to List of Jamaican dishes. The sources presented by Uncle G and Bibliomaniac15 seem to indicate a documented cultural resonance. Merge before delete, please. BusterD ( talk) 20:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: So... are we keeping or merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I really think this is a case of WP:BEFORE. There is a full article on the subject of how to make Bulla cookies in the Wall Street Journal, of all places: [1]. As User:Bibliomaniac15 points out, The Gleaner, Jamaica's newspaper of record, has an article [2] deploring that "Bullas [are] to be removed from schools", and another one here [3]. A quick glance at google news has plenty of other articles from WP:RS where Bulla cakes are not the main subject, but a significant part of, or mentioned in, the article: [4], [5] [6]. Fiachra10003 ( talk) 15:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.wsj.com/articles/bulla-cookies-11607122606
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20180823/bullas-be-removed-schools-tufton-appeals-support-teachers-help
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20181006/reid-defends-removal-bullas-schools
- ^ https://www.post-gazette.com/life/dining/2015/02/26/Munch-goes-to-Leon-s-Caribbean-Restaurant-Warrenington-Avenue-Allentown-section-of-Pittsburgh/stories/201502260021
- ^ https://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140505/cleisure/cleisure3.html
- ^ https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/jamaican-native-brings-tastes-of-the-island-to-spring-hill/2211305/
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