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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Brusselians
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This is original research or a fake. This purported ethnic group on the Belgian capital would be similar to a WashingtonianDcer ethnic group. The sources do not support the text. The Russian Wikipedia page is similar to this. The French Wikipedia page, which should be the first Wikipedia to cover such a group, is actually a DAB page between "resident of the city" and the local dialect. It does not describe an ethnic group. Mvqr ( talk) 13:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups and Belgium. Mvqr ( talk) 13:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - the unique culture of a cosmopolitan national capital is one thing, but calling it an ethnic group is absurd. WesSirius ( talk) 14:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Torontonians live in Toronto, the city has a unique culture. Brussels would be similar, but it's not an ethnic group, rather a hodge-podge of people living together. I wouldn't even re-direct it, it's a false narrative. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not actually seeing that the article says this is an ethnic group. I'm getting a few hits on Google Scholar, but they seem to be mostly about language and I am not sure I trust them. There is of course such a group of people who live in Brussels, and they are often opposed to the Walloons, but I don't think I have ever seen them described as an ethnic group. I am leaning Delete, on the reasoning that there isn't *too* much work in this article, and it is better to delete something that is probably wrong and/or SYNTH.
Elinruby (
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18:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- It uses Template:Infobox ethnic group but in the prose describes them specifically as an ethnographic group. - Aoidh ( talk) 21:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Sources don't support the ethnic slant of the article, and a standalone article isn't warranted. There's a reason titles like Parisians and Atlantans are just redirects to the city itself, as the people living in the city are not notable outside of the context of that city. I'm not sure if there's a good redirect target for this since there's Brussels but there's also City of Brussels and Arrondissement of Brussels-Capital, so there doesn't seem to be one redirect targets that would neatly convey everything that could be reasonably described as "Brusselians". - Aoidh ( talk) 21:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment wonder if someone is trying to introduce a trope of Wallons as rural and French speakers as urban. If so I don't think we should encourage them, as I am not certain that it's true. The language groups are more aligned with neighboring countries than with population density as I recall, not that I claim any special expertise in Brussels beyond driving through Belgium three or four times. While I am opining however, I think that the second and third articles that Aoidh mentioned are more about the jurisdiction, and the first one more about the metropolitan area, which is the closest we would come to an identity. It isn't that language isn't sometimes a proxy for ethnicity, but it seems to me that the article author is doing something akin to saying that everyone who lives in London is a Cockney. Elinruby ( talk) 01:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 18:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Brusselians
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This is original research or a fake. This purported ethnic group on the Belgian capital would be similar to a WashingtonianDcer ethnic group. The sources do not support the text. The Russian Wikipedia page is similar to this. The French Wikipedia page, which should be the first Wikipedia to cover such a group, is actually a DAB page between "resident of the city" and the local dialect. It does not describe an ethnic group. Mvqr ( talk) 13:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups and Belgium. Mvqr ( talk) 13:40, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - the unique culture of a cosmopolitan national capital is one thing, but calling it an ethnic group is absurd. WesSirius ( talk) 14:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Torontonians live in Toronto, the city has a unique culture. Brussels would be similar, but it's not an ethnic group, rather a hodge-podge of people living together. I wouldn't even re-direct it, it's a false narrative. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not actually seeing that the article says this is an ethnic group. I'm getting a few hits on Google Scholar, but they seem to be mostly about language and I am not sure I trust them. There is of course such a group of people who live in Brussels, and they are often opposed to the Walloons, but I don't think I have ever seen them described as an ethnic group. I am leaning Delete, on the reasoning that there isn't *too* much work in this article, and it is better to delete something that is probably wrong and/or SYNTH.
Elinruby (
talk)
18:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- It uses Template:Infobox ethnic group but in the prose describes them specifically as an ethnographic group. - Aoidh ( talk) 21:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG. Sources don't support the ethnic slant of the article, and a standalone article isn't warranted. There's a reason titles like Parisians and Atlantans are just redirects to the city itself, as the people living in the city are not notable outside of the context of that city. I'm not sure if there's a good redirect target for this since there's Brussels but there's also City of Brussels and Arrondissement of Brussels-Capital, so there doesn't seem to be one redirect targets that would neatly convey everything that could be reasonably described as "Brusselians". - Aoidh ( talk) 21:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment wonder if someone is trying to introduce a trope of Wallons as rural and French speakers as urban. If so I don't think we should encourage them, as I am not certain that it's true. The language groups are more aligned with neighboring countries than with population density as I recall, not that I claim any special expertise in Brussels beyond driving through Belgium three or four times. While I am opining however, I think that the second and third articles that Aoidh mentioned are more about the jurisdiction, and the first one more about the metropolitan area, which is the closest we would come to an identity. It isn't that language isn't sometimes a proxy for ethnicity, but it seems to me that the article author is doing something akin to saying that everyone who lives in London is a Cockney. Elinruby ( talk) 01:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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