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The result was keep. Consensus is that subject clearly passes WP:NACTOR (non-admin closure) Smartyllama ( talk) 17:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Brigitte Kren
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Uncited stub with no indication of notability. Searches did not turn up the necessary in-depth coverage from independent, secondary reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG, and nothing in the article suggests they even come close to meeting WP:ENT. Onel5969 TT me 12:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep: Notable Austrian television actress. Looking at IMDB, she has numerous acting credits including regular roles on several Austrian television series. Aguswiss ( talk) 13:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - She actually doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. NACTOR requires that the subject have: 'significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.' While she has been in a few series and films, these do not demonstrate how the subject had a significant role in them. In fact, some of the films/television series on her article do not have her included as acting in them. One of the films is notable: Blood Glacier, but this falls short of the 'multiple' requirement. Also, IMDB is not a reliable source. Jip Orlando ( talk) 14:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment -Double standards. There are thousands of worse stubs about actors. Either we obey our rules or we don't. We don't obviously.
Xx236 (
talk) 06:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - Be bold and put similar articles through AfD if you feel like it should. – TheGridExe ( talk) 17:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment -Double standards. There are thousands of worse stubs about actors. Either we obey our rules or we don't. We don't obviously.
Xx236 (
talk) 06:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep leading actress in film and television productions. Lots of very substantial coverage turns up just by hitting the "news" link above. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - not a single leading credit. No substantial coverage in "news"... not sure what you are looking at.
Onel5969
TT me 00:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- "not a single leading credit", so? WP:NACTOR does not talk of "leading" but of "significant", that does not have to be a "lead". Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - not a single leading credit. No substantial coverage in "news"... not sure what you are looking at.
Onel5969
TT me 00:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:NACTOR with flying colors. Has been one of the four leads on Vier Frauen und ein Todesfall for nine seasons and counting. The show has 650k to 700k viewers (sources: [1], [2]), which is about half the number of Austrians still watching traditional broadcast television, and is internationally syndicated in Germany, Switzerland, France, Slovenia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Denmark, Italy, Ukraine, and Russia. The franchise is squarely aimed at housewives and the middle-aged but is locally significant enough to get reviewed in stuck-up broadsheets (examples: [3], [4], [5]). Is about to become the new lead on SOKO Donau, the ORF's flagship crime show (sources: [6], [7]). Has been in notable theatre productions including but not limited to a gig on the Perchtoldsdorfer Sommerspiele (sources: [8], [9]). Damvile ( talk) 04:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The significance is obvious. - Victoria III ( talk) 23:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete The roles do not rise to the level to pass notability guidelines for actors and the sources do not rise to the level of GNG. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. WP:NACTOR is very clear at this point. An actor is significant is s/he has had "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." gidonb ( talk) 03:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Consensus is that subject clearly passes WP:NACTOR (non-admin closure) Smartyllama ( talk) 17:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Brigitte Kren
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Uncited stub with no indication of notability. Searches did not turn up the necessary in-depth coverage from independent, secondary reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG, and nothing in the article suggests they even come close to meeting WP:ENT. Onel5969 TT me 12:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 12:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Every morning (there's a halo...) 13:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. Every morning (there's a halo...) 13:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: Notable Austrian television actress. Looking at IMDB, she has numerous acting credits including regular roles on several Austrian television series. Aguswiss ( talk) 13:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - She actually doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. NACTOR requires that the subject have: 'significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.' While she has been in a few series and films, these do not demonstrate how the subject had a significant role in them. In fact, some of the films/television series on her article do not have her included as acting in them. One of the films is notable: Blood Glacier, but this falls short of the 'multiple' requirement. Also, IMDB is not a reliable source. Jip Orlando ( talk) 14:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment -Double standards. There are thousands of worse stubs about actors. Either we obey our rules or we don't. We don't obviously.
Xx236 (
talk) 06:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - Be bold and put similar articles through AfD if you feel like it should. – TheGridExe ( talk) 17:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment -Double standards. There are thousands of worse stubs about actors. Either we obey our rules or we don't. We don't obviously.
Xx236 (
talk) 06:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep leading actress in film and television productions. Lots of very substantial coverage turns up just by hitting the "news" link above. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - not a single leading credit. No substantial coverage in "news"... not sure what you are looking at.
Onel5969
TT me 00:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- "not a single leading credit", so? WP:NACTOR does not talk of "leading" but of "significant", that does not have to be a "lead". Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - not a single leading credit. No substantial coverage in "news"... not sure what you are looking at.
Onel5969
TT me 00:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:NACTOR with flying colors. Has been one of the four leads on Vier Frauen und ein Todesfall for nine seasons and counting. The show has 650k to 700k viewers (sources: [1], [2]), which is about half the number of Austrians still watching traditional broadcast television, and is internationally syndicated in Germany, Switzerland, France, Slovenia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Denmark, Italy, Ukraine, and Russia. The franchise is squarely aimed at housewives and the middle-aged but is locally significant enough to get reviewed in stuck-up broadsheets (examples: [3], [4], [5]). Is about to become the new lead on SOKO Donau, the ORF's flagship crime show (sources: [6], [7]). Has been in notable theatre productions including but not limited to a gig on the Perchtoldsdorfer Sommerspiele (sources: [8], [9]). Damvile ( talk) 04:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The significance is obvious. - Victoria III ( talk) 23:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete The roles do not rise to the level to pass notability guidelines for actors and the sources do not rise to the level of GNG. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. WP:NACTOR is very clear at this point. An actor is significant is s/he has had "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." gidonb ( talk) 03:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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