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The result was delete. Delete all except Summit Series (conference) Spinning Spark 12:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Brett Leve ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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fails WP:BASIC UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- Pete Gross ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Elliott Bisnow ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Jeff Rosenthal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Ryan Begelman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Summit Series (conference) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)Withdrawn.
Each of the individuals are represented as being affiliated with the Summit Series. All are articles are lightly sourced, edited by a handful of Editors/ WP:SOCKPUPPET, and written in a self-promotional style. Taken together, it has the appearance of puffery and marketing material, against WP:NOTADVERTISING.
Additionally, the Pete Gross article was created by moving the established Pete Gross article to Peter R. Gross. Similarly, Jeff Rosenthal was created after the establish article was moved to Jeffrey S. Rosenthal. While this AFD is not a page move (or DAB) request, those will likely follow pending the outcome of these AFDs. UW Dawgs ( talk) 02:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have only considered Ryan Begelman, which is part of WP:CHICAGO. His bio is really a summary of the companies he is involved in rather than a true biography. Unless sources can be found to present biographical details, I am in favor of Deleting the article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment—I have no opinion about the articles focusing on individuals, as I have had no involvement with these (and was not even aware of their existence until tonight). However, Summit Series (conference) was my research and writing effort, and I am confident that it both easily passes WP:GNG and, at least as of the last time I contributed to it, had no WP:NOTADVERTISING issues. Even if such issues have arisen since then, this would be cause for cleanup, not for bringing to AfD. Disclosure: I initiated the creation of this article in December 2011 as an outside consultant for Summit Series. An uninvolved editor reviewed, approved and moved it at the time, as I explained on the article's Talk page. Once live, I made only cosmetic changes to the article directly, however this predated Jimbo's "Bright Line" advisory and I would not make direct edits again. Given the preceding, I request that this one AfD nomination be withdrawn, so that discussion may continue regarding the others. Thanks, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 03:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed, withdrawn. UW Dawgs ( talk) 16:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 02:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete: Gross, Bisnow, Rosenthal, Begelman per
WP:BASIC,
GNG, also appears to violate WP:NOTADVERTISING and PROMO. The rationale of @TonyTheTiger applies to all four individuals whose articles are (customized) boilerplate copies of one another. Quis separabit? 21:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 01:34, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 02:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete the five biographies, which rely on trivial/promotional mentions in material relating to the mens' businesses. Notability is not inherited from their businesses. One can't ignore the self-advertising aspect, either. The fact that Jeffrey S. Rosenthal and Peter R. Gross were both arbitrarily moved is a clear sign of promotional intent with no respect for Wikipedia's purpose. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 06:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Suriel1981: Quite a well-worded argument.
Quis separabit?
18:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- ¡Gracias!
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹
Speak
23:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- No hay de que. Quis separabit? 23:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- ¡Gracias!
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹
Speak
23:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Suriel1981: Quite a well-worded argument.
Quis separabit?
18:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Delete all except Summit Series (conference) Spinning Spark 12:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- Brett Leve ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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fails WP:BASIC UW Dawgs ( talk) 01:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- Pete Gross ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Elliott Bisnow ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Jeff Rosenthal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Ryan Begelman ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Summit Series (conference) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)Withdrawn.
Each of the individuals are represented as being affiliated with the Summit Series. All are articles are lightly sourced, edited by a handful of Editors/ WP:SOCKPUPPET, and written in a self-promotional style. Taken together, it has the appearance of puffery and marketing material, against WP:NOTADVERTISING.
Additionally, the Pete Gross article was created by moving the established Pete Gross article to Peter R. Gross. Similarly, Jeff Rosenthal was created after the establish article was moved to Jeffrey S. Rosenthal. While this AFD is not a page move (or DAB) request, those will likely follow pending the outcome of these AFDs. UW Dawgs ( talk) 02:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have only considered Ryan Begelman, which is part of WP:CHICAGO. His bio is really a summary of the companies he is involved in rather than a true biography. Unless sources can be found to present biographical details, I am in favor of Deleting the article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Comment—I have no opinion about the articles focusing on individuals, as I have had no involvement with these (and was not even aware of their existence until tonight). However, Summit Series (conference) was my research and writing effort, and I am confident that it both easily passes WP:GNG and, at least as of the last time I contributed to it, had no WP:NOTADVERTISING issues. Even if such issues have arisen since then, this would be cause for cleanup, not for bringing to AfD. Disclosure: I initiated the creation of this article in December 2011 as an outside consultant for Summit Series. An uninvolved editor reviewed, approved and moved it at the time, as I explained on the article's Talk page. Once live, I made only cosmetic changes to the article directly, however this predated Jimbo's "Bright Line" advisory and I would not make direct edits again. Given the preceding, I request that this one AfD nomination be withdrawn, so that discussion may continue regarding the others. Thanks, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 03:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed, withdrawn. UW Dawgs ( talk) 16:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 02:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 02:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Delete: Gross, Bisnow, Rosenthal, Begelman per
WP:BASIC,
GNG, also appears to violate WP:NOTADVERTISING and PROMO. The rationale of @TonyTheTiger applies to all four individuals whose articles are (customized) boilerplate copies of one another. Quis separabit? 21:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 01:34, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 02:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete the five biographies, which rely on trivial/promotional mentions in material relating to the mens' businesses. Notability is not inherited from their businesses. One can't ignore the self-advertising aspect, either. The fact that Jeffrey S. Rosenthal and Peter R. Gross were both arbitrarily moved is a clear sign of promotional intent with no respect for Wikipedia's purpose. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹ Speak 06:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Suriel1981: Quite a well-worded argument.
Quis separabit?
18:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- ¡Gracias!
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹
Speak
23:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- No hay de que. Quis separabit? 23:42, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- ¡Gracias!
ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹
Speak
23:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Suriel1981: Quite a well-worded argument.
Quis separabit?
18:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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