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The result was Draftify. as per consensus. (non-admin closure) Night fury 07:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Bradley Webb

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PROD contested by article creator. Fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage) and WP:NFOOTBALL (has not played in a competitive match between two teams from leagues listed at WP:FPL; has only played in non-league or in the EFL Trophy against U21 team). Player has not been on the bench for the recent league matches so unlikely to play anytime soon. Giant Snowman 18:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC) reply

EFL Trophy matches notability: Re WP:NFOOTBALL, There is no such ruling that EFL Trophy opponents, being the U21 professional players of a professional team are not worthy opponents for notability. Notability includes contracted professional players that represent teams in professional leagues eg Championship club Norwich City. EFL Trophy matches are competed by teams at Level 4 or above in the English league system. Many under 21 players will have played first team matches for their club, often regularly. Leicester City U21 were EFL Trophy quarter finalists in the 2019-20 season19:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwimageglow ( talk • contribs)

The comment "Player has not been on the bench for the recent league matches so unlikely to play anytime soon" is baseless biased conjecture and irrelevant anyway.19:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwimageglow ( talk • contribs)

• Comment - this is a recent AFD for a player in a similar position (had only played in EFL Trophy for/against U21 teams) and that was deleted, as the consensus was (rightly) that the player did not meet NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 19:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. LTFC 95 ( talk) 19:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence of passing WP:GNG which is far more important than arguing about whether it scrapes through on NFOOTY Spiderone 21:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete or draft - no evidence of GNG but no prejudice against article being held in draft space Spiderone 17:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC) reply

• Draft Not a bad start to the article, the player is signed to a league club and I think moving to draft space would be a more sensible option than a straight up delete. Govvy ( talk) 12:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Govvy: - there already is a pre-existing (and IMHO better and more substantial) draft, at User:GiantSnowman/Bradley Webb. Giant Snowman 14:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Ah, now I understand. GiantSnowman flagged my post for deletion because he wanted his own draft published. Dear me. There's literally many hundreds of player pages in wiki where the player has only appeared in an EFL Trophy tie. This debate is a pointless pedantic waste of time which has no positives and only discourages valid contributions to wiki. 18:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwimageglow ( talk • contribs)

"There's literally many hundreds of player pages in wiki where the player has only appeared in an EFL Trophy tie." These are players who have played in a match between two clubs from fully professional leagues, not in a match against U21 teams. Other articles about players who have only played against an U21 team in the EFL Trophy have been deleted at AfD. LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:52, 7 October 2020 (UTC) reply

I might add, apropos our unsigned comment above, that "other stuff exists" is not considered a valid argument. However, I believe there is a case for saying "other stuff *doesn't* exist", that if we can have articles about English footballers of highly questionable notability then we ought to have far better coverage of the world outside the Anglosphere, and we certainly shouldn't have the former unless we also have the latter. RobinCarmody ( talk) 19:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC) reply

As I said, pointless pedantic waste of time. Pwimageglow ( talk) 10:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

• Draftify Doesn't qualify for mainspace yet but could shortly and probably will as he's in the mix on the County teamsheet. Only sigcov at the moment seems to be of the transfer. There's no need to delete this, and I am concerned about the optics of "there's already a better draft here" in terms of the deletion discussion. SportingFlyer T· C 17:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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