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The result was redirect to My Chemical Romance. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 22:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Bob Bryar
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Primary reason for nominating this: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." -- Wikipedia:Notability (music). Simply turning the article into a redirect just doesn't work because someone will come along and recreate the article, as you can see from the article's history. So I'm nominating it here for some closure on whether this article should exist or not. Bob Bryar was a drummer in MCR, he was not one of the founding members, he was not a part of the final line-up, he has not been a part of any other notable projects. And besides that the article is prone to WP:BLP violations because the fans who edit it seem to have no knowledge of what reliable sources (or proper grammar) are and why we have to use them. — Jeraphine Gryphon ( talk) 09:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect I agree that, as often with drummers, this article is not notable. I do not see a redirect as being controversial and is solves the search issues that might motive some to recreate the article. Maybe start a section on the Talk page about the redirect to reach consensus. Karst ( talk) 10:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect to My Chemical Romance. That is the proper procedure and no compelling arguments against a redirect have been made. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Bryar has plenty of sources and has been covered by the media on multiple occasions after My Chem and is still notible in the music industry today.
PacoDaKing14Sportz (
talk) 16:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- There were a couple (literally, two) news articles posted very recently about him because he had tweeted about being depressed because of getting kicked out of MCR. Before that, the most recent news articles are from 2010 and those articles are about him leaving MCR. He doesn't have notability (notability as it's defined here on Wikipedia) outside of the band, which is why this article shouldn't exist, according to Wikipedia:Notability (music). — Jeraphine Gryphon ( talk) 17:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per PacoDaKing14Sportz's reasons BcBryar ( talk) 18:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect Insufficient independent coverage for a separate page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect The sources give us no biographical content such as information about his family, where he was raised, his musical background and training, his musical career (early bands he was in), etc.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Basicly he was the whole reason that they broke up, so not a founding member, but still an important member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FakeYourDeath ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
FakeYourDeath ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect per Cullen, who presents what seems to be a correct policy-based rationale. Carrite ( talk) 13:38, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to My Chemical Romance. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 22:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Bob Bryar
- Bob Bryar ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Primary reason for nominating this: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." -- Wikipedia:Notability (music). Simply turning the article into a redirect just doesn't work because someone will come along and recreate the article, as you can see from the article's history. So I'm nominating it here for some closure on whether this article should exist or not. Bob Bryar was a drummer in MCR, he was not one of the founding members, he was not a part of the final line-up, he has not been a part of any other notable projects. And besides that the article is prone to WP:BLP violations because the fans who edit it seem to have no knowledge of what reliable sources (or proper grammar) are and why we have to use them. — Jeraphine Gryphon ( talk) 09:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect I agree that, as often with drummers, this article is not notable. I do not see a redirect as being controversial and is solves the search issues that might motive some to recreate the article. Maybe start a section on the Talk page about the redirect to reach consensus. Karst ( talk) 10:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect to My Chemical Romance. That is the proper procedure and no compelling arguments against a redirect have been made. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Bryar has plenty of sources and has been covered by the media on multiple occasions after My Chem and is still notible in the music industry today.
PacoDaKing14Sportz (
talk) 16:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- There were a couple (literally, two) news articles posted very recently about him because he had tweeted about being depressed because of getting kicked out of MCR. Before that, the most recent news articles are from 2010 and those articles are about him leaving MCR. He doesn't have notability (notability as it's defined here on Wikipedia) outside of the band, which is why this article shouldn't exist, according to Wikipedia:Notability (music). — Jeraphine Gryphon ( talk) 17:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per PacoDaKing14Sportz's reasons BcBryar ( talk) 18:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect Insufficient independent coverage for a separate page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect The sources give us no biographical content such as information about his family, where he was raised, his musical background and training, his musical career (early bands he was in), etc.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Basicly he was the whole reason that they broke up, so not a founding member, but still an important member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FakeYourDeath ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
FakeYourDeath ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Redirect per Cullen, who presents what seems to be a correct policy-based rationale. Carrite ( talk) 13:38, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.