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The result was keep. The appearance of a new source by an academic publisher and with a plausible path to improving the article is enough for the outcome to be clear. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 23:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Bhim Singh Rana
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Self made hoax article with zero sources other than caste's own fabricated history copied here by Burdak from Jatland. Fails WP:GNG, WP:RSCASTE the image here is also a copyvio. [1] Wareon ( talk) 14:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Delete and send to hoax museum - this article was created in July 2005, making it one of the longest-living hoaxes if confirmed as a hoax. wizzito | say hello! 15:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I'd like to see some more discussion before confirming as a hoax...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:49, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Delete: as per nom. Unreferenced article. Johnson Wagart ( talk) 13:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Blocked sock; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JeepersClub. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)- Comment – This is certainly not a hoax and seems like the nominator did not bother to do even a simple search at Google Books. The subject was an 18th-century ruler of Gohad and there are plenty of sources to verify that fact, e.g. see here. Note that he belonged to a ruling dynasty which used the title Rana and his name is either mentioned in sources as 'Rana Bhim Singh' or 'Bhim Singh Rana'. Here are a couple of quotes from an academic source about how he lost and subsequently regained his territory:
- Singh, Tripurdaman (2019). Imperial Sovereignty and Local Politics: The Bhadauria Rajputs and the Transition from Mughal to British India, 1600–1900. Cambridge University Press. pp. 71, 78. ISBN 978-1-108-49743-5.
p. 71
A second campaign was undertaken in 1707 by Raja Gopal Singh, which, after much loss of life and resources, resulted in the capture of Gohad and the expulsion of its Jat ruler, Rana Bhim Singh.33
p. 78
The fort and the territories of Gohad that had been occupied by Raja Gopal Singh were lost. In the words of Sinha, the war with the Marathas ‘gave an opportunity to Rana Bhim Singh of Gohad to regain his lost territory held by the Bhadauria Rajputs’.57 The Rana, who had joined the Peshwa’s army in its invasion of Bhadawar, distinguished himself so much ‘that Baji Rao, after defeating the Bhadauria Rajputs, restored Gohad to Rana Bhim Singh’.58
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NitinMlk (
talk) 20:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks NitinMlk. Good work. I agree that the subject is not a hoax. " Rana Bhim Singh" (which currently redirects to Bhim Singh of Mewar) is the actual name of the subject, and much more notable than "Bhim Singh Rana" which could not provide me any sources on Google books that are pre-21st century. I have just found a lot more detailed source for this ruler. I withdraw this AfD and support moving article to Rana Bhim Singh". I encourage Johnson Wagart and Wizzito to support keeping and moving this article. Wareon ( talk) 04:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The appearance of a new source by an academic publisher and with a plausible path to improving the article is enough for the outcome to be clear. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 23:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Bhim Singh Rana
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Self made hoax article with zero sources other than caste's own fabricated history copied here by Burdak from Jatland. Fails WP:GNG, WP:RSCASTE the image here is also a copyvio. [1] Wareon ( talk) 14:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Delete and send to hoax museum - this article was created in July 2005, making it one of the longest-living hoaxes if confirmed as a hoax. wizzito | say hello! 15:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I'd like to see some more discussion before confirming as a hoax...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:49, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Delete: as per nom. Unreferenced article. Johnson Wagart ( talk) 13:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Blocked sock; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JeepersClub. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)- Comment – This is certainly not a hoax and seems like the nominator did not bother to do even a simple search at Google Books. The subject was an 18th-century ruler of Gohad and there are plenty of sources to verify that fact, e.g. see here. Note that he belonged to a ruling dynasty which used the title Rana and his name is either mentioned in sources as 'Rana Bhim Singh' or 'Bhim Singh Rana'. Here are a couple of quotes from an academic source about how he lost and subsequently regained his territory:
- Singh, Tripurdaman (2019). Imperial Sovereignty and Local Politics: The Bhadauria Rajputs and the Transition from Mughal to British India, 1600–1900. Cambridge University Press. pp. 71, 78. ISBN 978-1-108-49743-5.
p. 71
A second campaign was undertaken in 1707 by Raja Gopal Singh, which, after much loss of life and resources, resulted in the capture of Gohad and the expulsion of its Jat ruler, Rana Bhim Singh.33
p. 78
The fort and the territories of Gohad that had been occupied by Raja Gopal Singh were lost. In the words of Sinha, the war with the Marathas ‘gave an opportunity to Rana Bhim Singh of Gohad to regain his lost territory held by the Bhadauria Rajputs’.57 The Rana, who had joined the Peshwa’s army in its invasion of Bhadawar, distinguished himself so much ‘that Baji Rao, after defeating the Bhadauria Rajputs, restored Gohad to Rana Bhim Singh’.58
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NitinMlk (
talk) 20:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks NitinMlk. Good work. I agree that the subject is not a hoax. " Rana Bhim Singh" (which currently redirects to Bhim Singh of Mewar) is the actual name of the subject, and much more notable than "Bhim Singh Rana" which could not provide me any sources on Google books that are pre-21st century. I have just found a lot more detailed source for this ruler. I withdraw this AfD and support moving article to Rana Bhim Singh". I encourage Johnson Wagart and Wizzito to support keeping and moving this article. Wareon ( talk) 04:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.