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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Beth HaMedrosh Hagodol-Beth Joseph
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Article fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG without multiple, reliable in-depth sources. TM 15:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly notable: a historically influential congregation well documented in reliable sources now added to the article. --
Arxiloxos (
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17:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed @ Arxiloxos: the key word being "congregation" because this article (and similar ones) are about congregations, not just the buildings in which they worship. Also, on WP there are general consensuses relating to deletion that aren't formally codified in the deletion guidelines; for example, there is apparently some long-standing consensus that every single high school on the planet is notable, regardless of age, size of student body, availability of reliable secondary sources, etc. Along those lines, there appears to be a general consensus that significant age does impart at least some degree of notability to a synagogue, despite what the subjective importance essay says. IZAK ( talk) 06:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep because the article has more than sufficient WP:V & WP:RS that make it WP:N. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- NOTE: Nominator, User Namiba ( talk · contribs) aka "TM", seems to have started an arbitrary process of eliminating articles about Orthodox Judaism synagogues from Category:Orthodox synagogues in the United States, he is requested to stop this process of mass nominations for deletions without further discussions and requests for improvement of the articles. So far he has nominated for deletion these articles: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Tiferes Yisroel (2nd nomination) & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Arugas Habosem & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anshei Sfard (Louisville, Kentucky) & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Beth Israel (Malden, Massachusetts) that looks like its heading for mass deletions in this area. The nominator is requested to consider WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE and to please start a discussion or a WP:RFC if he feels such articles are not up to snuff at a venue of his choosing, or at WP:TALKJUDAISM that would make the most sense. Quite frankly this is not the best time to start a move to delete any synagogue articles given that the current Israel-Gaza conflict is now so hot that it is spilling over into attacks on synagogues in France, see Protesters scuffle with police at Paris synagogues (AP, July 13, 2014), and the problem is growing, so it behooves any editor undertaking such deletions to proceed with great care in order to avoid any semblance of impropriety until the temperature surrounding the role and place of synagogues as current flashpoints of conflict stops. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Request for Comment: An RfC that concerns this AfD has been opened. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#RfC: Should there be mass AfDs of articles about Orthodox synagogues?. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Community input has been requested, see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Trying to avoid WP:WAR over spate of AfDs and PRODs. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep—I don't see any problems with the nomination, and thanks to Arxiloxos we now have a much better article. Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 11:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The material in the article is now sufficient. It might be good to have one on the rabbi also. DGG ( talk ) 23:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The reliable and verifiable sources in the article satisfy the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 02:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Thanks to Arxiloxos, the article shows reliable sources, verifiability, and notability. Yoninah ( talk) 17:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Beth HaMedrosh Hagodol-Beth Joseph
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Article fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG without multiple, reliable in-depth sources. TM 15:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly notable: a historically influential congregation well documented in reliable sources now added to the article. --
Arxiloxos (
talk)
17:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed @ Arxiloxos: the key word being "congregation" because this article (and similar ones) are about congregations, not just the buildings in which they worship. Also, on WP there are general consensuses relating to deletion that aren't formally codified in the deletion guidelines; for example, there is apparently some long-standing consensus that every single high school on the planet is notable, regardless of age, size of student body, availability of reliable secondary sources, etc. Along those lines, there appears to be a general consensus that significant age does impart at least some degree of notability to a synagogue, despite what the subjective importance essay says. IZAK ( talk) 06:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep because the article has more than sufficient WP:V & WP:RS that make it WP:N. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- NOTE: Nominator, User Namiba ( talk · contribs) aka "TM", seems to have started an arbitrary process of eliminating articles about Orthodox Judaism synagogues from Category:Orthodox synagogues in the United States, he is requested to stop this process of mass nominations for deletions without further discussions and requests for improvement of the articles. So far he has nominated for deletion these articles: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Tiferes Yisroel (2nd nomination) & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Arugas Habosem & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anshei Sfard (Louisville, Kentucky) & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congregation Beth Israel (Malden, Massachusetts) that looks like its heading for mass deletions in this area. The nominator is requested to consider WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE and to please start a discussion or a WP:RFC if he feels such articles are not up to snuff at a venue of his choosing, or at WP:TALKJUDAISM that would make the most sense. Quite frankly this is not the best time to start a move to delete any synagogue articles given that the current Israel-Gaza conflict is now so hot that it is spilling over into attacks on synagogues in France, see Protesters scuffle with police at Paris synagogues (AP, July 13, 2014), and the problem is growing, so it behooves any editor undertaking such deletions to proceed with great care in order to avoid any semblance of impropriety until the temperature surrounding the role and place of synagogues as current flashpoints of conflict stops. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 03:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Request for Comment: An RfC that concerns this AfD has been opened. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#RfC: Should there be mass AfDs of articles about Orthodox synagogues?. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Community input has been requested, see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Trying to avoid WP:WAR over spate of AfDs and PRODs. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep—I don't see any problems with the nomination, and thanks to Arxiloxos we now have a much better article. Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 11:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The material in the article is now sufficient. It might be good to have one on the rabbi also. DGG ( talk ) 23:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep The reliable and verifiable sources in the article satisfy the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 02:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. Thanks to Arxiloxos, the article shows reliable sources, verifiability, and notability. Yoninah ( talk) 17:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.