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The result was merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware). Valid ATD and sourcing/OR can be handled with selective, sourced merge. Star Mississippi 02:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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Created by JFox 0931 ( talk · contribs), who has a history of questionable article creations about natural features in northern Delaware, then PRODded by user VickKiang ( talk · contribs) with rationale:
A questionably significant article without any refs that is an RS that I can find clearly includes original research that is required for the content. The ref provided is questionable and certainly not denoting "significant coverage", merely a database with a trivial mention of two sentences that "Bellevue Lake is near Wilmington. The most popular species caught here are Largemouth bass, Bluegill, and Black crappie. 309 catches are logged on Fishbrain." Indeed, most of the content of this article is original research, which fails a fundamental policy.
Deprodded by a user Djflem ( talk · contribs) who thinks it should be redirected to another article, possibly Stoney Creek (Delaware), instead of deleting it outright. Also, the article has poor spelling and capitalization, and unencyclopedic style. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I previously nominated this user's articles for deletion, he added both original research and created trivial articles, I posted two messages and a warning, but with no response. I am not experienced at all in AfD, but from what I can see this article is poor both in its content and notability. Sources barely mention the lake at all and is a database, most of the content ("It is a flooded quarry and is very deep in some spots. It is located in a mostly suburban area but is very clean. It is surrounded by Forrest and is one of the last natural places in northern Delaware. Stoney Creek (Delaware River tributary in Delaware) Flows in and out of it providing the water needed to sustain the lake. There are sheer cliffs into it on some sides providing a breathtaking backdrop for the lake. It is a natural asset that the wildlife take advantage of. Unfortunately it is not open to the public and people are restricted of all acces.") is puffery or original research, with numerous spelling errors. It seems that the editor is apparently a local resident who is familiar with the lake and added self-written descriptions, but it should not IMO be on Wikipedia. A merge might also be all right, but the Stoney Creek article is still poor, it had a lot of original research added by the editor on minor, intricate details without refs. For example, consider this paragraph:
- "Stony Creek Flows through mostly forest and winds its way through the rolling hills of Northern Delaware’s Piedmont. Stony Creek’s watershed begins near Forwood Elementary School. It then flows southeast where it meets Allen Tract Park or Forwood Preserve (it can be called either name). A small tributary called Jacksons Creek from this forested park meets Stony Creek Here. Stony Creek then winds its way down Northwood Park and into Carrcroft Crest Park. Another tributary of Stony Creek runs through Carrcroft Park and the neighborhood of Carrcroft until it reaches Stony Creek in Carrcroft Crest Park. Then Stony Creek goes under I-95 and briefly enters Bellellevue State Park. After that Stony Creek flows through a heavily forested piece of private property. On this property it goes over Stenkill Falls and enters Bellevue Lake. Bellevue Lake was a quarry but has now been filled with water. It has beautiful cliffs and is a wonderful natural sanctuary for local wildlife. Soon after the creek exits the lake it joins with another tributary and continues southeast. Stony Creek flows under Philadelphia Pike and re enters Bellevue State Park on the Cauffiel Estate Branch of the park. This section of the Creek is also heavily forested and includes Fox Falls. As Stony creek begins to encroach on the Delaware River is enters a very short section where Stenkil Creeks banks become muddy. Then Stenkil Creek enters the Delaware River through Fox Point."
It seems to be original research that were not backed up by refs, and from my perspective is not of use to most readers, and I removed the info ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stoney_Creek_(Delaware)&oldid=1079397577). Many thanks for your help and advice. Cheers. VickKiang ( talk) 22:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Delaware-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 23:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware), which was impounded to create this reservoir. Djflem ( talk) 11:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)- Keep per Wikipedia:HEY or Merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware), which was impounded to create this reservoir. Djflem ( talk) 08:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌀 Locomotive207- talk 🌀 01:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Something other than delete, probably merge The article isn't that bad, the sources are marginal, information seems verifiable, a simple BEFORE search brings up hits mostly about fishing. The information isn't worth deleting even though whether it's a stand-alone article is a bit marginal (but probably justifiable under our geography guidelines.) SportingFlyer T· C 23:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware). Valid ATD and sourcing/OR can be handled with selective, sourced merge. Star Mississippi 02:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Bellevue Lake ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Created by JFox 0931 ( talk · contribs), who has a history of questionable article creations about natural features in northern Delaware, then PRODded by user VickKiang ( talk · contribs) with rationale:
A questionably significant article without any refs that is an RS that I can find clearly includes original research that is required for the content. The ref provided is questionable and certainly not denoting "significant coverage", merely a database with a trivial mention of two sentences that "Bellevue Lake is near Wilmington. The most popular species caught here are Largemouth bass, Bluegill, and Black crappie. 309 catches are logged on Fishbrain." Indeed, most of the content of this article is original research, which fails a fundamental policy.
Deprodded by a user Djflem ( talk · contribs) who thinks it should be redirected to another article, possibly Stoney Creek (Delaware), instead of deleting it outright. Also, the article has poor spelling and capitalization, and unencyclopedic style. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I previously nominated this user's articles for deletion, he added both original research and created trivial articles, I posted two messages and a warning, but with no response. I am not experienced at all in AfD, but from what I can see this article is poor both in its content and notability. Sources barely mention the lake at all and is a database, most of the content ("It is a flooded quarry and is very deep in some spots. It is located in a mostly suburban area but is very clean. It is surrounded by Forrest and is one of the last natural places in northern Delaware. Stoney Creek (Delaware River tributary in Delaware) Flows in and out of it providing the water needed to sustain the lake. There are sheer cliffs into it on some sides providing a breathtaking backdrop for the lake. It is a natural asset that the wildlife take advantage of. Unfortunately it is not open to the public and people are restricted of all acces.") is puffery or original research, with numerous spelling errors. It seems that the editor is apparently a local resident who is familiar with the lake and added self-written descriptions, but it should not IMO be on Wikipedia. A merge might also be all right, but the Stoney Creek article is still poor, it had a lot of original research added by the editor on minor, intricate details without refs. For example, consider this paragraph:
- "Stony Creek Flows through mostly forest and winds its way through the rolling hills of Northern Delaware’s Piedmont. Stony Creek’s watershed begins near Forwood Elementary School. It then flows southeast where it meets Allen Tract Park or Forwood Preserve (it can be called either name). A small tributary called Jacksons Creek from this forested park meets Stony Creek Here. Stony Creek then winds its way down Northwood Park and into Carrcroft Crest Park. Another tributary of Stony Creek runs through Carrcroft Park and the neighborhood of Carrcroft until it reaches Stony Creek in Carrcroft Crest Park. Then Stony Creek goes under I-95 and briefly enters Bellellevue State Park. After that Stony Creek flows through a heavily forested piece of private property. On this property it goes over Stenkill Falls and enters Bellevue Lake. Bellevue Lake was a quarry but has now been filled with water. It has beautiful cliffs and is a wonderful natural sanctuary for local wildlife. Soon after the creek exits the lake it joins with another tributary and continues southeast. Stony Creek flows under Philadelphia Pike and re enters Bellevue State Park on the Cauffiel Estate Branch of the park. This section of the Creek is also heavily forested and includes Fox Falls. As Stony creek begins to encroach on the Delaware River is enters a very short section where Stenkil Creeks banks become muddy. Then Stenkil Creek enters the Delaware River through Fox Point."
It seems to be original research that were not backed up by refs, and from my perspective is not of use to most readers, and I removed the info ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Stoney_Creek_(Delaware)&oldid=1079397577). Many thanks for your help and advice. Cheers. VickKiang ( talk) 22:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Delaware-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 21:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 23:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware), which was impounded to create this reservoir. Djflem ( talk) 11:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)- Keep per Wikipedia:HEY or Merge to Stoney Creek (Delaware), which was impounded to create this reservoir. Djflem ( talk) 08:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌀 Locomotive207- talk 🌀 01:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Something other than delete, probably merge The article isn't that bad, the sources are marginal, information seems verifiable, a simple BEFORE search brings up hits mostly about fishing. The information isn't worth deleting even though whether it's a stand-alone article is a bit marginal (but probably justifiable under our geography guidelines.) SportingFlyer T· C 23:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.