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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 16:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Beg, Borrow & Deal
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Found only press releases and passing mentions. Prod contested in violation of WP:NPA. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 22:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 22:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep
Comment- Added a citation to article just for the original name, game format and hosts. Also few sources found on a Wikipedia Library search. below with dedicated coverage. WikiVirus C (talk) 23:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dempsey, John (October 28, 2002). "ESPN big on 'Beg' after demo gains". Daily Variety Gotham. Vol. 277, no. 16. p. 5.
- Reynolds, Mike; Umstead, R. Thomas (October 21, 2022). "ESPN 'Begs' Up Another Reality Season". Multichannel News. Vol. 23, no. 42. p. 54.
- Kim, Chuck (September 17, 2002). "ESPN's out player". The Advocate. p. 40.
- Changed from just a comment to keep after additional sources mentioned by others, the LA times one I didn't see at all and has good coverage. WikiVirus C (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Lev, Michael (2002-09-19).
"Top of the 2nd: TV-Radio // ESPN reality check might be a winner".
Orange County Register. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "I expected to hate ESPN's new series, Beg, Borrow & Deal (Tuesdays, 5 p.m.). The show is the latest in the so-called reality-TV genre, where "reality" is usually a misnomer. But after watching the first episode, I must admit the show is off to a promising start. ... Beg, Borrow & Deal isn't quite reality as we know it -- unless you're a transient, in which case you probably don't have a TV anyway -- but it's a legitimate struggle, distinguishing it from some of the other reality series I regularly skip. ... At the very least, Beg, Borrow & Deal is a step in the right direction for ESPN Original Entertainment, which also produced the laughably bad A Season on the Brink."
- Catlin, Roger (2002-09-17).
"ESPN's 'Beg': Coast to Coast via Athleticism, Luck and Wits".
Hartford Courant. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Instead, the sports network is starting its own competition tonight with the reality show Beg, Borrow & Deal. The new show looks like The Amazing Race -- teams compete to get from one place to another for a prize. But while the Race goes globetrotting in pairs of two, with a few bucks in its pocket, Beg stays in the country but strips its teams of money. That means the two Beg teams of four -- two men and two women on each team -- must use their wits, coast to coast, for transportation, food and lodging. ... Beg, Borrow & Deal was originally cast more than a year ago, Mandt said. That's when filming was to have begun, but fallout from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks delayed the show."
- Seitz, Denny (2002-09-15).
"S.C. Salesman Becomes Reality TV Star - Clemson Fan to Appear in ESPN Series That Starts Tuesday Night".
The Charlotte Observer. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Starting Tuesday, the 27-year-old Chester native will be among eight contestants spotlighted on the eight-week ESPN series "Beg, Borrow & Deal." After a series of interviews and videos sent to ESPN, the station selected eight contestants. Britton is the lone Southerner among them. ... Teams are required to complete 10 of 40 listed tasks en route to their final destination of Alcatraz Island in San Francisco. Among the tasks: Ride a Zamboni ice resurfacer between periods of an NHL game. Compete in a marathon and not finish last. Catch a 35-yard pass from an NFL quarterback. Play in a prison basketball game. Bike ride for a mile with Lance Armstrong."
- McGraw, Mike (2003-08-14).
"Caught on tape ESPN captures sad, surreal moment with Bulls' - Williams".
Daily Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Last week's episode of the ESPN reality show "Beg, Borrow & Deal 2" allowed Bulls fans to take a melancholy trip back in time. ... On "Beg, Borrow & Deal," two teams of contestants cross the country trying to accomplish sports-related tasks without money or the use of a vehicle. Porter convinced Williams to rent a limousine that would ferry his team to Wrigley Field."
- Greene, Jerry (2002-09-17).
"Appointment TV: Mascot Washing?".
Orlando Sentinel. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Always on the cutting edge, ESPN is doing it's own "reality show," introducing Beg, Borrow & Deal tonight at 8. ... Anyway, the teams can choose from among 40 listed tasks. And to give you a taste of what to expect, we at CSI -- Cheap Seats Investigations -- have listed what look like the 10 most interesting tasks."
- Kim, Chuck (2002-09-17).
"ESPN's out player: Julian Bryce invades cable's butchest network on the reality game show Beg, Borrow & Deal. (Television)".
The Advocate. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "As the stereotype goes, queer men aren't supposed to play or follow competitive sports. Openly gay entertainment reporter Julian Bryce hopes to break this image as a competitor in ESPN's first reality-based game show, Beg, Borrow & Deal, premiering September 17. Still, he's the first to admit he might seem to fit the stereotype to a tee."
- Dempsey, John (2002-10-28).
"ESPN big on 'Beg' after demo gains".
Daily Variety. Vol. 277, no. 16. p. 5.
ISSN
0011-5509.
EBSCOhost
7704540. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "A whopping increase in the number of young-adult viewers has helped land a second-season renewal from ESPN for "Beg, Borrow & Deal," its weekly primetime entertainment-reality series. ... The show is averaging a modest 436,000 households for the six weeks since it premiered Tuesday at 8 on Sept. 17, which is only about half of ESPN's average primetime rating, and 26% below the shows in the time period for the same six months in 2001. But outweighing the bad news is the fact that the show is up in three key demographic categories from a year ago: by 135% among adults 18 to 34, by 46% with adults 18 to 49 and by 20% for adults 25 to 54."
- Reynolds, Mike; Umstead, R. Thomas (2002-10-21).
"ESPN 'Begs' up another reality season".
Multichannel News. Vol. 23, no. 42. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "Encouraged by the response from new viewers and overall Nielsen Media Research returns from its foray into the reality game show fray, ESPN will order a second season of Beg, Borrow & Deal and is hoping to pair it with a second genre entry next year. ... Through the first five of its eight installments, Beg, Borrow & Deal averaged a 0.5 household rating and a 0.8 among its core male 18 to 34 audience."
- Lev, Michael (2002-09-19).
"Top of the 2nd: TV-Radio // ESPN reality check might be a winner".
Orange County Register. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
- Comment: Pinging NemesisAT ( talk · contribs), who removed the proposed deletion. Cunard ( talk) 07:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep -- an additional source from the LA Times: [1]. matt91486 ( talk) 15:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 16:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Beg, Borrow & Deal
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- Beg, Borrow & Deal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Found only press releases and passing mentions. Prod contested in violation of WP:NPA. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 22:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 22:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep
Comment- Added a citation to article just for the original name, game format and hosts. Also few sources found on a Wikipedia Library search. below with dedicated coverage. WikiVirus C (talk) 23:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dempsey, John (October 28, 2002). "ESPN big on 'Beg' after demo gains". Daily Variety Gotham. Vol. 277, no. 16. p. 5.
- Reynolds, Mike; Umstead, R. Thomas (October 21, 2022). "ESPN 'Begs' Up Another Reality Season". Multichannel News. Vol. 23, no. 42. p. 54.
- Kim, Chuck (September 17, 2002). "ESPN's out player". The Advocate. p. 40.
- Changed from just a comment to keep after additional sources mentioned by others, the LA times one I didn't see at all and has good coverage. WikiVirus C (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Lev, Michael (2002-09-19).
"Top of the 2nd: TV-Radio // ESPN reality check might be a winner".
Orange County Register. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "I expected to hate ESPN's new series, Beg, Borrow & Deal (Tuesdays, 5 p.m.). The show is the latest in the so-called reality-TV genre, where "reality" is usually a misnomer. But after watching the first episode, I must admit the show is off to a promising start. ... Beg, Borrow & Deal isn't quite reality as we know it -- unless you're a transient, in which case you probably don't have a TV anyway -- but it's a legitimate struggle, distinguishing it from some of the other reality series I regularly skip. ... At the very least, Beg, Borrow & Deal is a step in the right direction for ESPN Original Entertainment, which also produced the laughably bad A Season on the Brink."
- Catlin, Roger (2002-09-17).
"ESPN's 'Beg': Coast to Coast via Athleticism, Luck and Wits".
Hartford Courant. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Instead, the sports network is starting its own competition tonight with the reality show Beg, Borrow & Deal. The new show looks like The Amazing Race -- teams compete to get from one place to another for a prize. But while the Race goes globetrotting in pairs of two, with a few bucks in its pocket, Beg stays in the country but strips its teams of money. That means the two Beg teams of four -- two men and two women on each team -- must use their wits, coast to coast, for transportation, food and lodging. ... Beg, Borrow & Deal was originally cast more than a year ago, Mandt said. That's when filming was to have begun, but fallout from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks delayed the show."
- Seitz, Denny (2002-09-15).
"S.C. Salesman Becomes Reality TV Star - Clemson Fan to Appear in ESPN Series That Starts Tuesday Night".
The Charlotte Observer. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Starting Tuesday, the 27-year-old Chester native will be among eight contestants spotlighted on the eight-week ESPN series "Beg, Borrow & Deal." After a series of interviews and videos sent to ESPN, the station selected eight contestants. Britton is the lone Southerner among them. ... Teams are required to complete 10 of 40 listed tasks en route to their final destination of Alcatraz Island in San Francisco. Among the tasks: Ride a Zamboni ice resurfacer between periods of an NHL game. Compete in a marathon and not finish last. Catch a 35-yard pass from an NFL quarterback. Play in a prison basketball game. Bike ride for a mile with Lance Armstrong."
- McGraw, Mike (2003-08-14).
"Caught on tape ESPN captures sad, surreal moment with Bulls' - Williams".
Daily Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Last week's episode of the ESPN reality show "Beg, Borrow & Deal 2" allowed Bulls fans to take a melancholy trip back in time. ... On "Beg, Borrow & Deal," two teams of contestants cross the country trying to accomplish sports-related tasks without money or the use of a vehicle. Porter convinced Williams to rent a limousine that would ferry his team to Wrigley Field."
- Greene, Jerry (2002-09-17).
"Appointment TV: Mascot Washing?".
Orlando Sentinel. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
The article notes: "Always on the cutting edge, ESPN is doing it's own "reality show," introducing Beg, Borrow & Deal tonight at 8. ... Anyway, the teams can choose from among 40 listed tasks. And to give you a taste of what to expect, we at CSI -- Cheap Seats Investigations -- have listed what look like the 10 most interesting tasks."
- Kim, Chuck (2002-09-17).
"ESPN's out player: Julian Bryce invades cable's butchest network on the reality game show Beg, Borrow & Deal. (Television)".
The Advocate. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "As the stereotype goes, queer men aren't supposed to play or follow competitive sports. Openly gay entertainment reporter Julian Bryce hopes to break this image as a competitor in ESPN's first reality-based game show, Beg, Borrow & Deal, premiering September 17. Still, he's the first to admit he might seem to fit the stereotype to a tee."
- Dempsey, John (2002-10-28).
"ESPN big on 'Beg' after demo gains".
Daily Variety. Vol. 277, no. 16. p. 5.
ISSN
0011-5509.
EBSCOhost
7704540. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "A whopping increase in the number of young-adult viewers has helped land a second-season renewal from ESPN for "Beg, Borrow & Deal," its weekly primetime entertainment-reality series. ... The show is averaging a modest 436,000 households for the six weeks since it premiered Tuesday at 8 on Sept. 17, which is only about half of ESPN's average primetime rating, and 26% below the shows in the time period for the same six months in 2001. But outweighing the bad news is the fact that the show is up in three key demographic categories from a year ago: by 135% among adults 18 to 34, by 46% with adults 18 to 49 and by 20% for adults 25 to 54."
- Reynolds, Mike; Umstead, R. Thomas (2002-10-21).
"ESPN 'Begs' up another reality season".
Multichannel News. Vol. 23, no. 42. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22 – via
Gale.
The article notes: "Encouraged by the response from new viewers and overall Nielsen Media Research returns from its foray into the reality game show fray, ESPN will order a second season of Beg, Borrow & Deal and is hoping to pair it with a second genre entry next year. ... Through the first five of its eight installments, Beg, Borrow & Deal averaged a 0.5 household rating and a 0.8 among its core male 18 to 34 audience."
- Lev, Michael (2002-09-19).
"Top of the 2nd: TV-Radio // ESPN reality check might be a winner".
Orange County Register. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
- Comment: Pinging NemesisAT ( talk · contribs), who removed the proposed deletion. Cunard ( talk) 07:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep -- an additional source from the LA Times: [1]. matt91486 ( talk) 15:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.