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The result was delete. However if you think this can be re-scoped and would like it in draft space to do so, just let me know. Star Mississippi 01:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Dubăsari (1992)
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The Transnistria War was not a war like the one in for example Ukraine right now, with battles, large scale campaigns and offensives. Transnistria is a small sliver of land along a river with like seven towns. The Transnistria War was mostly clashing in the streets or in the bridges separating Transnistria and Moldova proper between civilians, policemen and informal militias of differing ideologies. There were no professional soldiers. There's actually not that much to write about and there were no proper battles.
The only exception was the battle of Tighina (1992) when Russian forces crossed the river I mentioned before and entered a Moldovan town with tanks and armored vehicles. Reliable sources recognize this difference, we have 20 results for "Battle of Tighina" or "Bender" (the town has two alternate names) [1] and 0 results for "Battle of Dubăsari" [2]. This article is WP:Original research and splitting this small war into the few towns it happened in is not productive. Take notice that the subsection #Cocieri-Dubăsari area occupies a third of Transnistria War#Military conflict.
Also worth mentioning are the article's contents. The infobox says one timeframe which is actually a small fraction of the article. Most of the article is either clashes between civilians/policemen rather than a proper military conflict or larger political events. Some of the covered clashes aren't even about the town of Dubăsari but about the province ( Dubăsari District). There's also a lot of unsourced content. The article is quite a mess. With all this I propose the deletion of this article. Super Ψ Dro 18:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Moldova, and Russia. Super Ψ Dro 18:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Dubăsari during the Transnistria War; a quick search turns up no reliable sources referring to a singular "Battle of Dubăsari."
Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [
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- Also it's worth noting that this article seems to be a translation of uk:Бої за Дубоссари, which refers to the event(s) in question as Бої (plural), and not Бій (singular). Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [ T/ C] 22:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Occidental Phantasmagoria, I don't think the article is necessary. As I said Transnistria is small, and the Transnistria War relatively uneventful. At just 3,965 words, the article Transnistria War is very well within our allowed article sizes and a split is only recommended starting from 8,000 words [3], that's double of the current article size. Fighting in Dubăsari is not particularly singled out or distinguished in reliable sources, there is no apparent reason that it should get an article of its own. "Battle of Dubăsari" is an original research creation not used in any source (unlike the Bender/Tighina case). Thus I very strongly recommend that we do not split the war into fork articles like this one, which is also of low quality. Super Ψ Dro 17:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete — not an actual battle; the article as it stands is a coatrack about loosely connected events. — Biruitorul Talk 23:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specific analysis of available source material would be quite helpful, as well as additional thoughts on changing the article's scope via a move.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. However if you think this can be re-scoped and would like it in draft space to do so, just let me know. Star Mississippi 01:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Dubăsari (1992)
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- Battle of Dubăsari (1992) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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The Transnistria War was not a war like the one in for example Ukraine right now, with battles, large scale campaigns and offensives. Transnistria is a small sliver of land along a river with like seven towns. The Transnistria War was mostly clashing in the streets or in the bridges separating Transnistria and Moldova proper between civilians, policemen and informal militias of differing ideologies. There were no professional soldiers. There's actually not that much to write about and there were no proper battles.
The only exception was the battle of Tighina (1992) when Russian forces crossed the river I mentioned before and entered a Moldovan town with tanks and armored vehicles. Reliable sources recognize this difference, we have 20 results for "Battle of Tighina" or "Bender" (the town has two alternate names) [1] and 0 results for "Battle of Dubăsari" [2]. This article is WP:Original research and splitting this small war into the few towns it happened in is not productive. Take notice that the subsection #Cocieri-Dubăsari area occupies a third of Transnistria War#Military conflict.
Also worth mentioning are the article's contents. The infobox says one timeframe which is actually a small fraction of the article. Most of the article is either clashes between civilians/policemen rather than a proper military conflict or larger political events. Some of the covered clashes aren't even about the town of Dubăsari but about the province ( Dubăsari District). There's also a lot of unsourced content. The article is quite a mess. With all this I propose the deletion of this article. Super Ψ Dro 18:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Moldova, and Russia. Super Ψ Dro 18:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Move to
Dubăsari during the Transnistria War; a quick search turns up no reliable sources referring to a singular "Battle of Dubăsari."
Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [
T/
C] 22:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Also it's worth noting that this article seems to be a translation of uk:Бої за Дубоссари, which refers to the event(s) in question as Бої (plural), and not Бій (singular). Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [ T/ C] 22:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Occidental Phantasmagoria, I don't think the article is necessary. As I said Transnistria is small, and the Transnistria War relatively uneventful. At just 3,965 words, the article Transnistria War is very well within our allowed article sizes and a split is only recommended starting from 8,000 words [3], that's double of the current article size. Fighting in Dubăsari is not particularly singled out or distinguished in reliable sources, there is no apparent reason that it should get an article of its own. "Battle of Dubăsari" is an original research creation not used in any source (unlike the Bender/Tighina case). Thus I very strongly recommend that we do not split the war into fork articles like this one, which is also of low quality. Super Ψ Dro 17:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete — not an actual battle; the article as it stands is a coatrack about loosely connected events. — Biruitorul Talk 23:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specific analysis of available source material would be quite helpful, as well as additional thoughts on changing the article's scope via a move.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.