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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:07, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Fails our notability guideline. I fail to spot any hits other than in unreliable Raj-era sources/listings and mirrors of both Raj-era sources and/or Wikipedia. Raj-era sources and those that derive from are unreliable per numerous RSN discussions. Winged Blades Godric 09:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
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- From Education, Population, and Development by Yoginder Paul Chathley
(1995): "Similarly, there are 'gotras' among Khatris (Barsain, Bargate, Changend, Thusra, Bhander), Rajputs (Agasni, Lalhal), Thakurs and Rathis (Gharti, Sakhotru, Barjati, Kulai)." Also noted elsewhere in sources over many decades. FloridaArmy ( talk) 15:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ FloridaArmy: what other sources? If they're from the British Raj era, they're not reliable. Your mention above is just that, ie: a mention in a list. It does not come anywhere near satisfying WP:GNG, which needs a degree of in-depth coverage. - Sitush ( talk) 05:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also, noting that any book which contains
In Kangra the Rathi als are said to be Barjati, Kulai, Gharati, (a Khatri al in Chamba) and Sakhotru. The Rajas used to confer the janeo on Rathis in return for presents and senices, and this is why some of them still wear it.
(OCR grab) is derived wholly from Horace Arthur Rose who is unreliable due to the same Raj-era problems. Winged Blades Godric 05:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete There are some modern references - e.g. [1] and maybe [2] seems modern. Older - [3] [4] [5] [6]. Reliability of these sources aside - none of them discuss the subject in any depth - it's all list style reporting, mainly as part of Rathi (or Rathis) - which could possibly be a valid redirect if it existed. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing here establishes notability and why it should have a separate Wikipedia page Hagennos ( talk) 05:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:07, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Fails our notability guideline. I fail to spot any hits other than in unreliable Raj-era sources/listings and mirrors of both Raj-era sources and/or Wikipedia. Raj-era sources and those that derive from are unreliable per numerous RSN discussions. Winged Blades Godric 09:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Winged Blades Godric 09:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 10:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- From Education, Population, and Development by Yoginder Paul Chathley
(1995): "Similarly, there are 'gotras' among Khatris (Barsain, Bargate, Changend, Thusra, Bhander), Rajputs (Agasni, Lalhal), Thakurs and Rathis (Gharti, Sakhotru, Barjati, Kulai)." Also noted elsewhere in sources over many decades. FloridaArmy ( talk) 15:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ FloridaArmy: what other sources? If they're from the British Raj era, they're not reliable. Your mention above is just that, ie: a mention in a list. It does not come anywhere near satisfying WP:GNG, which needs a degree of in-depth coverage. - Sitush ( talk) 05:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also, noting that any book which contains
In Kangra the Rathi als are said to be Barjati, Kulai, Gharati, (a Khatri al in Chamba) and Sakhotru. The Rajas used to confer the janeo on Rathis in return for presents and senices, and this is why some of them still wear it.
(OCR grab) is derived wholly from Horace Arthur Rose who is unreliable due to the same Raj-era problems. Winged Blades Godric 05:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete There are some modern references - e.g. [1] and maybe [2] seems modern. Older - [3] [4] [5] [6]. Reliability of these sources aside - none of them discuss the subject in any depth - it's all list style reporting, mainly as part of Rathi (or Rathis) - which could possibly be a valid redirect if it existed. Icewhiz ( talk) 07:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing here establishes notability and why it should have a separate Wikipedia page Hagennos ( talk) 05:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
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