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The result was keep. — The Earwig talk 07:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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GNIS entry is sourced to Rennick, but Rennick's Trimble County directory and index only mention Barebone Creek with no mention of a community there. Nothing on the topos, and the newspapers.com results don't seem to suggest a community here. I don't think WP:GEOLAND (or even really WP:V) here is met. And even for an article about the small, routine creek, "Barebone, Kentucky" isn't going to be a logical name. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- delete Topos show a set of three buildings which also appear on aerials, and which are still standing; if you drive by on Street View, you can see that they consist of two barns and a farmhouse. So obviously not a settlement. It's depressing to discover that GNIS was misreading Rennick the same way that WP misread Durham in California, but judging from this example, that seems to be the case. Mangoe ( talk) 04:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Mangoe: Because this is a "ghost town", it doesn't really matter that there are "two barns and a farmhouse", a pile of ruins, or nothing. One of the features of a ghost town is that no one lives there anymore, which makes whether anyone actually used to live there the test of notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 14:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - There is a lot of data describing Barebone--a small community now a ghost town--as a populated place.
- Several sources, such as this one, refer to the "Barebone district".
- This obituary discusses the school in Barebone, as does this source (original here). In that source some of the families that attended are listed. What is interesting is that there are obituaries with some of those same family names:
- A local genealogical and historical website compiled census data and clippings from The Trimble Democrat, where Barebone is mentioned many times as a place people were born, lived, and died. Unfortunately, the link is blacklisted by Wikipedia. See...http:// + search.freefind.com/servlet/freefind?id=7853207&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=barebone&mode=Match+ALL
- See also this obituary in The Trimble Banner.
- When I created the article I chose not to include these sources because the information was either not notable, or the source was primary. However, these sources do establish--unless the genealogical and historical community of Trimble County have conspired to create a fictional place called "Barebone"--that many people did indeed call Barebone home. Magnolia677 ( talk) 12:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. A lot information online to suggest that the place does actually exist. I would suggest that the creator includes these into the article and expand it because currently it is a weak page without any sustance and I don't think other editors would vote as generously as me. See WP:NGEO. CAVETOWNFAN ( talk) 20:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep As a formerly populated place, satisfies NGEO. Smartyllama ( talk) 21:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - One note, which I found, is "23. Barebone Ngbr.", in a list of "Trimble Co. communities" on the last page of "Trimble County-Post Offices" by Rennick, R.M., 2000. My best guess is that "Ngbr." is an abbreviation for "neighborhood." Also found: Rennick, R.M., 2016. Trimble County-Place Names. However this set of index cards mentions only Barebone Creek and surname Barebone. Both manuscripts are part of the Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection, Moorehouse State University Digitized Collections.
- A paper that I found for Trimble County, which mentions only Barebone Creek, in the La Posta: A journal of American postal history is:
- Rennick, R.M., 2001,
The Post Offices of Trimble County, Kentucky. La Posta: A journal of American postal history.32(1), pp. 58-62
Paul H. (
talk)
20:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Rennick Trible county place names is one of the source cited in the nomination statement. Paul, thanks for alerting me to the existence of Rennick's post office guides, as those may prove useful in future searches about KY place stubs. I was aware of Rennick having a large index and county-by-county directories, but not the post office document with lists of communities.
Hog Farm
Talk
21:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Correction - The corrected link to index of Rennick's manuscripts and notes is Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection. Paul H. ( talk) 03:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Rennick Trible county place names is one of the source cited in the nomination statement. Paul, thanks for alerting me to the existence of Rennick's post office guides, as those may prove useful in future searches about KY place stubs. I was aware of Rennick having a large index and county-by-county directories, but not the post office document with lists of communities.
Hog Farm
Talk
21:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. — The Earwig talk 07:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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GNIS entry is sourced to Rennick, but Rennick's Trimble County directory and index only mention Barebone Creek with no mention of a community there. Nothing on the topos, and the newspapers.com results don't seem to suggest a community here. I don't think WP:GEOLAND (or even really WP:V) here is met. And even for an article about the small, routine creek, "Barebone, Kentucky" isn't going to be a logical name. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- delete Topos show a set of three buildings which also appear on aerials, and which are still standing; if you drive by on Street View, you can see that they consist of two barns and a farmhouse. So obviously not a settlement. It's depressing to discover that GNIS was misreading Rennick the same way that WP misread Durham in California, but judging from this example, that seems to be the case. Mangoe ( talk) 04:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Mangoe: Because this is a "ghost town", it doesn't really matter that there are "two barns and a farmhouse", a pile of ruins, or nothing. One of the features of a ghost town is that no one lives there anymore, which makes whether anyone actually used to live there the test of notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 14:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - There is a lot of data describing Barebone--a small community now a ghost town--as a populated place.
- Several sources, such as this one, refer to the "Barebone district".
- This obituary discusses the school in Barebone, as does this source (original here). In that source some of the families that attended are listed. What is interesting is that there are obituaries with some of those same family names:
- A local genealogical and historical website compiled census data and clippings from The Trimble Democrat, where Barebone is mentioned many times as a place people were born, lived, and died. Unfortunately, the link is blacklisted by Wikipedia. See...http:// + search.freefind.com/servlet/freefind?id=7853207&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=barebone&mode=Match+ALL
- See also this obituary in The Trimble Banner.
- When I created the article I chose not to include these sources because the information was either not notable, or the source was primary. However, these sources do establish--unless the genealogical and historical community of Trimble County have conspired to create a fictional place called "Barebone"--that many people did indeed call Barebone home. Magnolia677 ( talk) 12:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. A lot information online to suggest that the place does actually exist. I would suggest that the creator includes these into the article and expand it because currently it is a weak page without any sustance and I don't think other editors would vote as generously as me. See WP:NGEO. CAVETOWNFAN ( talk) 20:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep As a formerly populated place, satisfies NGEO. Smartyllama ( talk) 21:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - One note, which I found, is "23. Barebone Ngbr.", in a list of "Trimble Co. communities" on the last page of "Trimble County-Post Offices" by Rennick, R.M., 2000. My best guess is that "Ngbr." is an abbreviation for "neighborhood." Also found: Rennick, R.M., 2016. Trimble County-Place Names. However this set of index cards mentions only Barebone Creek and surname Barebone. Both manuscripts are part of the Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection, Moorehouse State University Digitized Collections.
- A paper that I found for Trimble County, which mentions only Barebone Creek, in the La Posta: A journal of American postal history is:
- Rennick, R.M., 2001,
The Post Offices of Trimble County, Kentucky. La Posta: A journal of American postal history.32(1), pp. 58-62
Paul H. (
talk)
20:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Rennick Trible county place names is one of the source cited in the nomination statement. Paul, thanks for alerting me to the existence of Rennick's post office guides, as those may prove useful in future searches about KY place stubs. I was aware of Rennick having a large index and county-by-county directories, but not the post office document with lists of communities.
Hog Farm
Talk
21:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Correction - The corrected link to index of Rennick's manuscripts and notes is Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection. Paul H. ( talk) 03:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Rennick Trible county place names is one of the source cited in the nomination statement. Paul, thanks for alerting me to the existence of Rennick's post office guides, as those may prove useful in future searches about KY place stubs. I was aware of Rennick having a large index and county-by-county directories, but not the post office document with lists of communities.
Hog Farm
Talk
21:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.