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The result was delete. MelanieN ( talk) 01:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari
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I think that the subject of the article does not have any notibility by its own. If we look at the article's soureces we can see it quite clearly that either the sources are primary or related to her undirectly and also the article violate wikipedia's policy on WP:NPOV. Thats why I think the article should be deleted Ominictionary ( talk) 14:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment I did a ce that included improving neutral tone and reducing puffery. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep If the media think it worthy of publication that a member of a famous family is giving out cheques, it is our standard that we don't need to ask why they thought their readers wanted to read that. It is sufficient to observe the media's interest in the topic. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: The article reads more like a WP:PROPAGANDA violation, as it stands right now, and there is scant reference that attests to this person's notability. Also, notability is not inherited. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It is strange that the creator of the page Aseefa Bhutto Zardari found it proper to nominate this instant article for deletion. You seek to delete the page of the elder sister whilst creating the page for the younger sibling having similar claim to fame. DebashisM Talk 17:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- DebashisM, there is a announcement from Asif Zardari that Aseefa Bhutto Zardari will stand 2018 election. She has been a Rotary Ambassador and former UN Ambassador for Polio Eradication and both are international organization. But Bakhtawar has only work for that which completely belong to her family. Also there is no news of her holding any public office. Also important to mention my created article is completely based on secondary sources unlike this one. So, I think both are not similar claim of fame. Ominictionary ( talk) 19:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is that an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument? – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete : The article is a violation of wikipedia's WP:Copy-paste, WP:PROPAGANDA and WP:POV policy. The article have majorly copy pasted from the official biography of Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari. Check this link: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABCDE22 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Borderline Keep I see enough reliable references for a full article. -- RAN ( talk) 03:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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comment:- The article violate WP:PRIMARY SOURCE so its WP:NEUTRALITY and WP:COPYPASTE policy extencively. The article has been copy pasted from her own biography. If one look properly, they can see it clearly that the article's most of the reference are primary.
- ref 1: article written by her mother about her (Benazir) own story. (primary source)
- ref 2: News of the birth of Prime Minster's elder daughter not for her own. (indirect mention)
- ref 3: Birth of her sister which hardly mentioned her. (indirect mention)
- ref 4: For her own work
- ref 5: Website of PPP, which is going to glorify anything done by Bhutto. (primary source)
- ref 6: News analysis (primary source)
- ref 7: Website of Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science and Technology founded by her mother. (primary source)
- ref 8: Her own twitter account (primary source)
- ref 9: Because of her own
- ref 10: A website had ran during PPP goverment, when her father was president. (primary source)
After seeing all this we can say that the article violate wikipedia's many policy and this is nothing except a propaganda, so I think there is no reason to keep it at all. Ominictionary ( talk) 17:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete the subject is often in the news but there is no in-depth coverage on her. She is not a elected politician so she also fails WP:POLITICIAN. She doesn't have a notable career either. -- Saqib ( talk) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- an unremarkable philanthropist; notability is not inherited from notable parents. Sourcing is in passing, routine, and / or WP:SPIP as discussed above. K.e.coffman ( talk) 06:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete - Notability is not inherited. Nothing suggests individual notability.-- Rpclod ( talk) 03:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not pass WP:POLITICIAN. And per User:Rpclod, a little joke from my side as a Pakistani, "we have had enough of Morosi siasat(Inherited politics)" :). Lets keep it away from Wiki. M A A Z T A L K 12:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable, but under the principles of WP:PRESERVE given this person could become notable, or at least a plausible search term, make sure to merge any content that's worth merging to Bhutto's article, and possibly keep a redirect to a "Personal life" section. – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Störm (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MelanieN ( talk) 01:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari
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I think that the subject of the article does not have any notibility by its own. If we look at the article's soureces we can see it quite clearly that either the sources are primary or related to her undirectly and also the article violate wikipedia's policy on WP:NPOV. Thats why I think the article should be deleted Ominictionary ( talk) 14:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 January 1. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 15:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment I did a ce that included improving neutral tone and reducing puffery. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep If the media think it worthy of publication that a member of a famous family is giving out cheques, it is our standard that we don't need to ask why they thought their readers wanted to read that. It is sufficient to observe the media's interest in the topic. Unscintillating ( talk) 00:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: The article reads more like a WP:PROPAGANDA violation, as it stands right now, and there is scant reference that attests to this person's notability. Also, notability is not inherited. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep It is strange that the creator of the page Aseefa Bhutto Zardari found it proper to nominate this instant article for deletion. You seek to delete the page of the elder sister whilst creating the page for the younger sibling having similar claim to fame. DebashisM Talk 17:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- DebashisM, there is a announcement from Asif Zardari that Aseefa Bhutto Zardari will stand 2018 election. She has been a Rotary Ambassador and former UN Ambassador for Polio Eradication and both are international organization. But Bakhtawar has only work for that which completely belong to her family. Also there is no news of her holding any public office. Also important to mention my created article is completely based on secondary sources unlike this one. So, I think both are not similar claim of fame. Ominictionary ( talk) 19:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is that an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument? – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete : The article is a violation of wikipedia's WP:Copy-paste, WP:PROPAGANDA and WP:POV policy. The article have majorly copy pasted from the official biography of Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari. Check this link: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABCDE22 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Borderline Keep I see enough reliable references for a full article. -- RAN ( talk) 03:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U) (T) (C) 10:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U) (T) (C) 10:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
comment:- The article violate WP:PRIMARY SOURCE so its WP:NEUTRALITY and WP:COPYPASTE policy extencively. The article has been copy pasted from her own biography. If one look properly, they can see it clearly that the article's most of the reference are primary.
- ref 1: article written by her mother about her (Benazir) own story. (primary source)
- ref 2: News of the birth of Prime Minster's elder daughter not for her own. (indirect mention)
- ref 3: Birth of her sister which hardly mentioned her. (indirect mention)
- ref 4: For her own work
- ref 5: Website of PPP, which is going to glorify anything done by Bhutto. (primary source)
- ref 6: News analysis (primary source)
- ref 7: Website of Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science and Technology founded by her mother. (primary source)
- ref 8: Her own twitter account (primary source)
- ref 9: Because of her own
- ref 10: A website had ran during PPP goverment, when her father was president. (primary source)
After seeing all this we can say that the article violate wikipedia's many policy and this is nothing except a propaganda, so I think there is no reason to keep it at all. Ominictionary ( talk) 17:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete the subject is often in the news but there is no in-depth coverage on her. She is not a elected politician so she also fails WP:POLITICIAN. She doesn't have a notable career either. -- Saqib ( talk) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- an unremarkable philanthropist; notability is not inherited from notable parents. Sourcing is in passing, routine, and / or WP:SPIP as discussed above. K.e.coffman ( talk) 06:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - Notability is not inherited. Nothing suggests individual notability.-- Rpclod ( talk) 03:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not pass WP:POLITICIAN. And per User:Rpclod, a little joke from my side as a Pakistani, "we have had enough of Morosi siasat(Inherited politics)" :). Lets keep it away from Wiki. M A A Z T A L K 12:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable, but under the principles of WP:PRESERVE given this person could become notable, or at least a plausible search term, make sure to merge any content that's worth merging to Bhutto's article, and possibly keep a redirect to a "Personal life" section. – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Störm (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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