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The result was WP:SNOW keep. bd2412 T 12:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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These teams have met 92 times, but haven't competed against each other on a regular basis in quite some time. There's a case to be made that this is a historically significant series, however, there's not enough to proclaim it a "rivalry". Auburn wouldn't put Georgia Tech in the same category as Alabama, Georgia or LSU. Similarly, Georgia Tech wouldn't include Auburn alongside Georgia or Clemson. This isn't a "rivalry" and shouldn't be treated as such. CalebHughes ( talk) 20:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 21:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep In the 1960s and 1970s it was certainly a rivalry: I was there for it. Right now, it isn't. Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. This nomination and others like it appear to suffer from recentism. A rivalry existed, and the passage of time doesn't mean it never did. Acroterion (talk) 23:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Acroterion. This is another of the storied series in the history of Southern football. Coverage dealing with the series as a historic rivalry includes: (1) " AU, Tech renew a Southern tradition", 2003 ("It's the renewal of an old rivalry.... In fact, there was a time when Georgia Tech was the game on Auburn's schedule ... For everybody 45 years and older, we remember when the Georgia Tech game was the biggest game of the year. ... Auburn vs. Georgia Tech is the second oldest rivalry in the Deep South"); (2) " Tigers face traditional rival today," 1980 ("The Auburn-Georgia Tech football rivalry may not be as fierce as it once was, but it is still a rivarly."); (3) " Tale of the tail: AU-Tech rivalry has a colorful past", 2005 (4) " Auburn's Unbeaten Tigers Battle Mighty Tech Today", 1963 ("Series history of the Auburn-Georgia Tech rivalry shows it to be one of the oldest in the country ..."); and (5) " Tigers Are Out To Wreck Tech", 1966 ("The Auburn-Georgia Tech rivalry has always been considered a Southern football classic ..."). Moreover, by my count, there have been at least 16 marquee match-ups between the teams in which both teams were ranked, a ranked team was upset, or prior to 1936 a game in which both teams met with no more than one loss apiece: 2005 (Georgia Tech upset #16 Auburn); 2003 (Georgia Tech upset #17 Auburn); 1970 (#8 vs 16); 1963 (Auburn upset #8 Georgia Tech); 1960 (Auburn upset #19 Georgia Tech); 1959 (#4 vs #11); 1958 (Georgia Tech tied #2 Auburn); 1955 (#5 vs #17); 1953 (#6 vs #19); 1920 (one-loss Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1917 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1916 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1915 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1914 (undefeated Auburn defeated one-loss Georgia Tech); 1913 (undefeated Auburn defeated undefeated Georgia Tech); and 1912 (undefeated Auburn defeated undefeated Georgia Tech). Other intangibles favor a rivalry finding, including border-state geography, longevity (series dates to 1892!); frequency of play (92 total games); competitiveness of the series (Auburn leads 47 to 41); and program prominence (6 claimed national titles between them). Cbl62 ( talk) 23:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. They used to play each other at the end of every year, and it almost always decided the southern champion along with the Vanderbilt-Sewanee game. In 1904, Auburn got Mike Donahue and Tech got John Heisman. Heisman had coached at Auburn previously, and before 1915, lost to Auburn every year but 1906. In 1915, after Auburn had very strong teams in 1913 and 1914, Tech finally beats Auburn. They don't lose a Southern game between 1914's game with Auburn and 1919's game with Auburn. Leaving aside the 1915 Vanderbilt team, the champions after 1912 go 13: Auburn, 14: Auburn, 15: Tech, 16: Tech, 17: Tech, 18: Tech, 19: Auburn. A better candidate for clean up is the Auburn-Tulane rivalry. Dirtlawyer (peace be upon him) advised removing it. I thought it was unwise given Auburn and Tulane's rise in the 30s, but I now think I was mistaken. Cake ( talk) 00:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources presented by Cbl62. Lepricavark ( talk) 01:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl and Cake; poor argument presented by nominator. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 01:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- keep clearly once notable... and therefore always notable as notability cannot be lost.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 12:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep just because they haven't played a lot recently doesn't mean it isn't article worthy, the rivalry just has to show it was important over a significant amount of time which it has (whenever they play its a big deal unless they both are in rebuilding years). If Notre Dame and USC stopped playing for like 20 years, I can assure you that article would not be deleted or even discussed for deletion. And football is bigger in the south than in the Midwest/West (I am a fan of a southern College Football team that is in a different conference than these two teams). JC7V -constructive zone 16:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and WP:NTEMP. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
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The result was WP:SNOW keep. bd2412 T 12:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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These teams have met 92 times, but haven't competed against each other on a regular basis in quite some time. There's a case to be made that this is a historically significant series, however, there's not enough to proclaim it a "rivalry". Auburn wouldn't put Georgia Tech in the same category as Alabama, Georgia or LSU. Similarly, Georgia Tech wouldn't include Auburn alongside Georgia or Clemson. This isn't a "rivalry" and shouldn't be treated as such. CalebHughes ( talk) 20:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 21:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep In the 1960s and 1970s it was certainly a rivalry: I was there for it. Right now, it isn't. Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. This nomination and others like it appear to suffer from recentism. A rivalry existed, and the passage of time doesn't mean it never did. Acroterion (talk) 23:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Acroterion. This is another of the storied series in the history of Southern football. Coverage dealing with the series as a historic rivalry includes: (1) " AU, Tech renew a Southern tradition", 2003 ("It's the renewal of an old rivalry.... In fact, there was a time when Georgia Tech was the game on Auburn's schedule ... For everybody 45 years and older, we remember when the Georgia Tech game was the biggest game of the year. ... Auburn vs. Georgia Tech is the second oldest rivalry in the Deep South"); (2) " Tigers face traditional rival today," 1980 ("The Auburn-Georgia Tech football rivalry may not be as fierce as it once was, but it is still a rivarly."); (3) " Tale of the tail: AU-Tech rivalry has a colorful past", 2005 (4) " Auburn's Unbeaten Tigers Battle Mighty Tech Today", 1963 ("Series history of the Auburn-Georgia Tech rivalry shows it to be one of the oldest in the country ..."); and (5) " Tigers Are Out To Wreck Tech", 1966 ("The Auburn-Georgia Tech rivalry has always been considered a Southern football classic ..."). Moreover, by my count, there have been at least 16 marquee match-ups between the teams in which both teams were ranked, a ranked team was upset, or prior to 1936 a game in which both teams met with no more than one loss apiece: 2005 (Georgia Tech upset #16 Auburn); 2003 (Georgia Tech upset #17 Auburn); 1970 (#8 vs 16); 1963 (Auburn upset #8 Georgia Tech); 1960 (Auburn upset #19 Georgia Tech); 1959 (#4 vs #11); 1958 (Georgia Tech tied #2 Auburn); 1955 (#5 vs #17); 1953 (#6 vs #19); 1920 (one-loss Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1917 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1916 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1915 (undefeated Georgia Tech defeated one-loss Auburn); 1914 (undefeated Auburn defeated one-loss Georgia Tech); 1913 (undefeated Auburn defeated undefeated Georgia Tech); and 1912 (undefeated Auburn defeated undefeated Georgia Tech). Other intangibles favor a rivalry finding, including border-state geography, longevity (series dates to 1892!); frequency of play (92 total games); competitiveness of the series (Auburn leads 47 to 41); and program prominence (6 claimed national titles between them). Cbl62 ( talk) 23:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. They used to play each other at the end of every year, and it almost always decided the southern champion along with the Vanderbilt-Sewanee game. In 1904, Auburn got Mike Donahue and Tech got John Heisman. Heisman had coached at Auburn previously, and before 1915, lost to Auburn every year but 1906. In 1915, after Auburn had very strong teams in 1913 and 1914, Tech finally beats Auburn. They don't lose a Southern game between 1914's game with Auburn and 1919's game with Auburn. Leaving aside the 1915 Vanderbilt team, the champions after 1912 go 13: Auburn, 14: Auburn, 15: Tech, 16: Tech, 17: Tech, 18: Tech, 19: Auburn. A better candidate for clean up is the Auburn-Tulane rivalry. Dirtlawyer (peace be upon him) advised removing it. I thought it was unwise given Auburn and Tulane's rise in the 30s, but I now think I was mistaken. Cake ( talk) 00:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources presented by Cbl62. Lepricavark ( talk) 01:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl and Cake; poor argument presented by nominator. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 01:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- keep clearly once notable... and therefore always notable as notability cannot be lost.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 12:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep just because they haven't played a lot recently doesn't mean it isn't article worthy, the rivalry just has to show it was important over a significant amount of time which it has (whenever they play its a big deal unless they both are in rebuilding years). If Notre Dame and USC stopped playing for like 20 years, I can assure you that article would not be deleted or even discussed for deletion. And football is bigger in the south than in the Midwest/West (I am a fan of a southern College Football team that is in a different conference than these two teams). JC7V -constructive zone 16:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and WP:NTEMP. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 01:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
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