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The result was keep. As with the majority of the other rivalry AfDs, a strong consensus based on the various sources provided indicates a strong Keep (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear ( talk) 21:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
AuburnāFlorida football rivalry
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Auburn and Florida have had several really good games through the years, but that alone does not make this series a rivalry. In addition to them not being permanent cross-divisional opponents, there's no indication that this is or was anything more than an average SEC game between two teams that only occurs once every several years (except if they meet in the SEC Championship Game, which has happened only once). Auburn isn't on the same level as Florida State, Georgia or even Tennessee as far as Florida's football rivalries are concerned. Similarly, Florida isn't on the same level as Alabama, Georgia or LSU as far as Auburn's rivalries are concerned. A Google search will turn up a couple of articles talking about good games between the two, but lack of animosity between the schools and their fans as well as any compelling evidence that is anything more than an average, regular SEC game convince me that this page needs to be deleted. CalebHughes ( talk) 23:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This nomination is written entirely in the present tense. As noted in a similar AfD, Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. Acroterion (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This article is well sourced noting a rivalry. Corky 23:44, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Acroterion. Moreover, I am concerned that Caleb's recent spate of nine AfDs (directed at storied rivalries in Southern football history) may be motivated by retaliatory intent. Caleb recently created several rivalry articles that were either tagged for notability or AfD'd. See, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UTEPāUTSA football rivalry, LouisvilleāWest Virginia football rivalry. The mass nomination of historic Southern football rivalry articles borders on pointy ( WP:POINT) editing IMO. @ CalebHughes: Can you clarify the motivation behind these mass nominations, particularly in relation to challenges to your own recent work creating rivalry articles? Cbl62 ( talk) 00:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- There may not be another rivalry with more marquee match-ups (games between ranked opponents or games upsets of ranked opponents) in the last half century. At least 22 marquee match-ups since 1968: 2007 (Auburn upset #4 Florida); 2006 (#11 Auburn upset #2 Florida); 2001 (Auburn upset #1 Florida); 2000 (#10 vs #19); 1997 (#6 vs. #7); 1996 (#1 vs. #16); 1995 (#3 vs. #7); 1994 (#6 Auburn upset #1 Florida); 1993 (#19 Auburn upset #4 Florida); 1990 (#4 vs. #15); 1989 (#12 vs. #19); 1987 (#6 vs #10); 1986 (Florida upset #5 Auburn); 1985 (#2 vs. #6); 1984 (#11 vs. #13); 1983 (#4 vs. #5); 1982 (Florida upset #19 Auburn); 1977 (Auburn upset #18 Florida); 1974 (#5 vs. #11); 1973 (Florida upset #19 Auburn); 1969 (#7 vs. #17); 1968 (Auburn upset #20 Florida). Cbl62 ( talk) 06:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as the article relates many a Florida season (1994, 2001, 2006) has been ruined by an Auburn field goal. There's also lots of past lore, like Spurrier's field goal and Wes Chandler being attacked by the eagle, and Auburn being Florida's first ever conference opponent (in 1912). Only recently has the rivalry heat died down with Auburn and Miami, and only quite recently with Auburn. Cake ( talk) 00:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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- delete The article sources a lot of games (in one case the same AP article about the same game printed in three different newspapers), some number of which made a splash at the time due to upsets. This does not add up to a rivalry, and I see no reason to believe in one unless some reasonable number of these specifically use that word or some synonym, which is not what I see. And the obvious rationale behind nominating rivalry articles is that too many of them seem to exist only in the imagination of some editor. Mangoe ( talk) 17:00, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Four unambiguous cites added to lede (3 AP, 4 various decades), now making the rivalry claim overt over the noise from the well-cited body. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep plenty of sources to support the claim that this is a rivalry. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and all above. Easily meets WP:GNG. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl, he has presented numerous sources and reasons that this is/was a rivalry. I also agree with Cbl that this is bordering on WP:POINT with retaliatory intent. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 00:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep this doesn't belong in AFD, it belongs in nominations for a "featured list" -- great job assembling this!-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep A source search shows this is clearly referred to as a rivalry over multiple reliable, independent sources. SportingFlyer talk 09:35, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Many sources show its a significant rivalry. Football rivalries are particular huge in the American south. JC7V -constructive zone 20:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. As with the majority of the other rivalry AfDs, a strong consensus based on the various sources provided indicates a strong Keep (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear ( talk) 21:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
AuburnāFlorida football rivalry
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Auburn and Florida have had several really good games through the years, but that alone does not make this series a rivalry. In addition to them not being permanent cross-divisional opponents, there's no indication that this is or was anything more than an average SEC game between two teams that only occurs once every several years (except if they meet in the SEC Championship Game, which has happened only once). Auburn isn't on the same level as Florida State, Georgia or even Tennessee as far as Florida's football rivalries are concerned. Similarly, Florida isn't on the same level as Alabama, Georgia or LSU as far as Auburn's rivalries are concerned. A Google search will turn up a couple of articles talking about good games between the two, but lack of animosity between the schools and their fans as well as any compelling evidence that is anything more than an average, regular SEC game convince me that this page needs to be deleted. CalebHughes ( talk) 23:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This nomination is written entirely in the present tense. As noted in a similar AfD, Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. Acroterion (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This article is well sourced noting a rivalry. Corky 23:44, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Acroterion. Moreover, I am concerned that Caleb's recent spate of nine AfDs (directed at storied rivalries in Southern football history) may be motivated by retaliatory intent. Caleb recently created several rivalry articles that were either tagged for notability or AfD'd. See, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UTEPāUTSA football rivalry, LouisvilleāWest Virginia football rivalry. The mass nomination of historic Southern football rivalry articles borders on pointy ( WP:POINT) editing IMO. @ CalebHughes: Can you clarify the motivation behind these mass nominations, particularly in relation to challenges to your own recent work creating rivalry articles? Cbl62 ( talk) 00:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- There may not be another rivalry with more marquee match-ups (games between ranked opponents or games upsets of ranked opponents) in the last half century. At least 22 marquee match-ups since 1968: 2007 (Auburn upset #4 Florida); 2006 (#11 Auburn upset #2 Florida); 2001 (Auburn upset #1 Florida); 2000 (#10 vs #19); 1997 (#6 vs. #7); 1996 (#1 vs. #16); 1995 (#3 vs. #7); 1994 (#6 Auburn upset #1 Florida); 1993 (#19 Auburn upset #4 Florida); 1990 (#4 vs. #15); 1989 (#12 vs. #19); 1987 (#6 vs #10); 1986 (Florida upset #5 Auburn); 1985 (#2 vs. #6); 1984 (#11 vs. #13); 1983 (#4 vs. #5); 1982 (Florida upset #19 Auburn); 1977 (Auburn upset #18 Florida); 1974 (#5 vs. #11); 1973 (Florida upset #19 Auburn); 1969 (#7 vs. #17); 1968 (Auburn upset #20 Florida). Cbl62 ( talk) 06:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as the article relates many a Florida season (1994, 2001, 2006) has been ruined by an Auburn field goal. There's also lots of past lore, like Spurrier's field goal and Wes Chandler being attacked by the eagle, and Auburn being Florida's first ever conference opponent (in 1912). Only recently has the rivalry heat died down with Auburn and Miami, and only quite recently with Auburn. Cake ( talk) 00:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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- delete The article sources a lot of games (in one case the same AP article about the same game printed in three different newspapers), some number of which made a splash at the time due to upsets. This does not add up to a rivalry, and I see no reason to believe in one unless some reasonable number of these specifically use that word or some synonym, which is not what I see. And the obvious rationale behind nominating rivalry articles is that too many of them seem to exist only in the imagination of some editor. Mangoe ( talk) 17:00, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Four unambiguous cites added to lede (3 AP, 4 various decades), now making the rivalry claim overt over the noise from the well-cited body. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:45, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep plenty of sources to support the claim that this is a rivalry. Lepricavark ( talk) 16:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl62 and all above. Easily meets WP:GNG. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 23:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Cbl, he has presented numerous sources and reasons that this is/was a rivalry. I also agree with Cbl that this is bordering on WP:POINT with retaliatory intent. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 00:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep this doesn't belong in AFD, it belongs in nominations for a "featured list" -- great job assembling this!-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep A source search shows this is clearly referred to as a rivalry over multiple reliable, independent sources. SportingFlyer talk 09:35, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Many sources show its a significant rivalry. Football rivalries are particular huge in the American south. JC7V -constructive zone 20:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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