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The result was no consensus. Due to the low participation here, the lack of a strong deletion rationale and a solitary vote of "Weak Keep", I think it is most appropriate to close this discussion with a decision of "No Consensus". Liz Read! Talk! 22:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am not sure it has enough notability to grant an article Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 16:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Shellwood (
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17:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why this article might lack notability. I have referenced numerous national journals (Cision PR Newswire, MultifamilyBiz, Rebusiness Online), along local sources (Charlotte Business Journal, Charlotte Observer, Axios Charlotte), and I have also reference the architect's page on the building. What is missing to provide proof of notability? City Dweller 2 ( talk) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Arthistorian1977, could I get a reply to my recent message requesting what I need to do establish notability? Please look at the current article, I have greatly expanded it in the last couple of days. City Dweller 2 ( talk) 14:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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PR Newswire is not a newspaper, it is a distributor of press releases and per
WP:PRSOURCE what you get from it does not count towards notability. The Multifamilybiz piece is sourced directly to White Point Partners and Greystar, so it is another press release. The Rebusiness article appears to be
churnalism. The local sources seem to be the best so far. -
Indy beetle (
talk)
20:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- After looking at the sources you mentioned with a more critical eye I understand what you are saying. There are a couple of points I would like to discuss 1) Could background on the current boom in the area of South End Charlotte (where the building is located) establish notability? 2) I have noticed there are a lot of Wikipedia articles with very few sources, or no sources, or no sources to establish notability. Is there another aspect to notability these articles could have such as location or the tenants of the building? However, it could be that these articles have not yet been challenged or considered for deletion. City Dweller 2 ( talk) 15:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Our guideline for building notability is at WP:NBUILD, but it essentially defers to the WP:GNG. Practically speaking, what that means is that for notability to be established for this building project, you would want preferably at least three news articles that are about this building/construction project in a meaningful way (a simple news notice like "Traffic will be closed today on X Street due to construction on Ascent South End" would not suffice). Information on the background of real estate development in the area may be nice to include, but coverage of development trends in Charlotte generally will not help establish the notability of this building. - Indy beetle ( talk) 15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Per coverage in the Charlotte Business Journal, The Charlotte Observer, and Axios Charlotte, I think this scrapes by GNG, though more non-local coverage, if possible, would be nice to include. -
Indy beetle (
talk)
15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Can I remove the deletion consideration template at the top of the page? City Dweller 2 ( talk) 19:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, this discussion is not yet closed. See WP:CLOSEAFD for details. A neutral uninvolved AfD closer, typically an admin, will evaluate this discussion after they think there has been adequate participation or enough time has passed, and then decide what the fate of the article is as per what the people who have discussed it here have said. Do not alter the deletion templates, that will be done once the discussion has finished. - Indy beetle ( talk) 21:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Due to the low participation here, the lack of a strong deletion rationale and a solitary vote of "Weak Keep", I think it is most appropriate to close this discussion with a decision of "No Consensus". Liz Read! Talk! 22:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am not sure it has enough notability to grant an article Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 16:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Architecture and
North Carolina.
Shellwood (
talk)
17:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why this article might lack notability. I have referenced numerous national journals (Cision PR Newswire, MultifamilyBiz, Rebusiness Online), along local sources (Charlotte Business Journal, Charlotte Observer, Axios Charlotte), and I have also reference the architect's page on the building. What is missing to provide proof of notability? City Dweller 2 ( talk) 17:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Arthistorian1977, could I get a reply to my recent message requesting what I need to do establish notability? Please look at the current article, I have greatly expanded it in the last couple of days. City Dweller 2 ( talk) 14:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
-
PR Newswire is not a newspaper, it is a distributor of press releases and per
WP:PRSOURCE what you get from it does not count towards notability. The Multifamilybiz piece is sourced directly to White Point Partners and Greystar, so it is another press release. The Rebusiness article appears to be
churnalism. The local sources seem to be the best so far. -
Indy beetle (
talk)
20:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- After looking at the sources you mentioned with a more critical eye I understand what you are saying. There are a couple of points I would like to discuss 1) Could background on the current boom in the area of South End Charlotte (where the building is located) establish notability? 2) I have noticed there are a lot of Wikipedia articles with very few sources, or no sources, or no sources to establish notability. Is there another aspect to notability these articles could have such as location or the tenants of the building? However, it could be that these articles have not yet been challenged or considered for deletion. City Dweller 2 ( talk) 15:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Our guideline for building notability is at WP:NBUILD, but it essentially defers to the WP:GNG. Practically speaking, what that means is that for notability to be established for this building project, you would want preferably at least three news articles that are about this building/construction project in a meaningful way (a simple news notice like "Traffic will be closed today on X Street due to construction on Ascent South End" would not suffice). Information on the background of real estate development in the area may be nice to include, but coverage of development trends in Charlotte generally will not help establish the notability of this building. - Indy beetle ( talk) 15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Per coverage in the Charlotte Business Journal, The Charlotte Observer, and Axios Charlotte, I think this scrapes by GNG, though more non-local coverage, if possible, would be nice to include. -
Indy beetle (
talk)
15:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Can I remove the deletion consideration template at the top of the page? City Dweller 2 ( talk) 19:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, this discussion is not yet closed. See WP:CLOSEAFD for details. A neutral uninvolved AfD closer, typically an admin, will evaluate this discussion after they think there has been adequate participation or enough time has passed, and then decide what the fate of the article is as per what the people who have discussed it here have said. Do not alter the deletion templates, that will be done once the discussion has finished. - Indy beetle ( talk) 21:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.