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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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once i removed the blatantly fake/fabricated blackhat seo sources, we were left with a whopping 2 sources - neither of which are coverage. I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part. There is 0 coverage of this person. Praxidicae ( talk) 13:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete I agree, there's no suitable coverage. The references the nominator removed were mostly interviews. One looked OK on its own, but it was on a website that, from its home page, deals primarily with garbage, so I think they have people posting there whatever they're in the mood to, with no editorial review. Largoplazo ( talk) 16:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: per the above, quite aside from that at least one of the creator's articles is flagged for potentially being a paid editor. Ravenswing 17:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I am the creator of the article and the nominator has placed that {{Undisclosed paid}} template on that page. I am not sure what has made them do that.
Olisaiuer (
talk)
20:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, this is in regards to your commentary, on the page for
Art Beatz. You stated "I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part." First, I am in the music industry, work with
The Recording Academy and I will tell you that Allmusic profiles can not be changed by anyone, you have to go through
Tivo and a vigorous verification process. In addition, you state that you can not find any information regarding
Art Beatz as a producer on the song, so I am asking the creator of the song's page in January 2019 who referenced
Art Beatz in the opening sentence come to the defense here. I somehow doubt that
AlligatorSky or any of the other early contributors to the
Goodbye_(Jason_Derulo_and_David_Guetta_song) page such as
Nielshoogvliet would feel that your statements regarding Allmusic and Art Beatz producer credits are warranted or valid here.
SoCalDogLover (
talk)
23:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
SoCalDogLover
- Yeah, not so much. Surf over to Allmusic's FAQ, and you'll see a raft of answers on how to submit (or correct submissions on) albums, biographies, photos, credits and the like. That those submissions are nominally vetted isn't impressive: IMDB does as much, and never has been regarded as a reliable source for the purpose of supporting notability by Wikipedia. Neither has Allmusic. Ravenswing 15:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, this is in regards to your commentary, on the page for
Art Beatz. You stated "I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part." First, I am in the music industry, work with
The Recording Academy and I will tell you that Allmusic profiles can not be changed by anyone, you have to go through
Tivo and a vigorous verification process. In addition, you state that you can not find any information regarding
Art Beatz as a producer on the song, so I am asking the creator of the song's page in January 2019 who referenced
Art Beatz in the opening sentence come to the defense here. I somehow doubt that
AlligatorSky or any of the other early contributors to the
Goodbye_(Jason_Derulo_and_David_Guetta_song) page such as
Nielshoogvliet would feel that your statements regarding Allmusic and Art Beatz producer credits are warranted or valid here.
SoCalDogLover (
talk)
23:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
SoCalDogLover
- I am the creator of the article and the nominator has placed that {{Undisclosed paid}} template on that page. I am not sure what has made them do that.
Olisaiuer (
talk)
20:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Praxidicae, you removed this source as well. Is that not a RS? Olisaiuer ( talk) 21:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- No, it is 100% not an RS. See WP:RSN. Praxidicae ( talk) 00:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Not as long as it encourages "Citizen Journalists" to submit pieces, and boasts about its "crowd-sourced editing" it isn't. Ravenswing 15:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as likely paid-for spam. I've blocked the creator, Olisaiuer, for spamming. MER-C 17:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The sources aren't up to standards for establishing notability, mostly minor blogs/websites and interviews. An AllMusic profile can help in determining notability, but he does not have a profile, but rather just a list of credits, something afforded to anyone who works on music released for retail, per AllMusic's/TiVo mission statement. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 21:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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once i removed the blatantly fake/fabricated blackhat seo sources, we were left with a whopping 2 sources - neither of which are coverage. I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part. There is 0 coverage of this person. Praxidicae ( talk) 13:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I agree, there's no suitable coverage. The references the nominator removed were mostly interviews. One looked OK on its own, but it was on a website that, from its home page, deals primarily with garbage, so I think they have people posting there whatever they're in the mood to, with no editorial review. Largoplazo ( talk) 16:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: per the above, quite aside from that at least one of the creator's articles is flagged for potentially being a paid editor. Ravenswing 17:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I am the creator of the article and the nominator has placed that {{Undisclosed paid}} template on that page. I am not sure what has made them do that.
Olisaiuer (
talk)
20:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, this is in regards to your commentary, on the page for
Art Beatz. You stated "I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part." First, I am in the music industry, work with
The Recording Academy and I will tell you that Allmusic profiles can not be changed by anyone, you have to go through
Tivo and a vigorous verification process. In addition, you state that you can not find any information regarding
Art Beatz as a producer on the song, so I am asking the creator of the song's page in January 2019 who referenced
Art Beatz in the opening sentence come to the defense here. I somehow doubt that
AlligatorSky or any of the other early contributors to the
Goodbye_(Jason_Derulo_and_David_Guetta_song) page such as
Nielshoogvliet would feel that your statements regarding Allmusic and Art Beatz producer credits are warranted or valid here.
SoCalDogLover (
talk)
23:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
SoCalDogLover
- Yeah, not so much. Surf over to Allmusic's FAQ, and you'll see a raft of answers on how to submit (or correct submissions on) albums, biographies, photos, credits and the like. That those submissions are nominally vetted isn't impressive: IMDB does as much, and never has been regarded as a reliable source for the purpose of supporting notability by Wikipedia. Neither has Allmusic. Ravenswing 15:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, this is in regards to your commentary, on the page for
Art Beatz. You stated "I can find no independent verification of his supposed producing credits and the allmusic profile can be changed by anyone for the most part." First, I am in the music industry, work with
The Recording Academy and I will tell you that Allmusic profiles can not be changed by anyone, you have to go through
Tivo and a vigorous verification process. In addition, you state that you can not find any information regarding
Art Beatz as a producer on the song, so I am asking the creator of the song's page in January 2019 who referenced
Art Beatz in the opening sentence come to the defense here. I somehow doubt that
AlligatorSky or any of the other early contributors to the
Goodbye_(Jason_Derulo_and_David_Guetta_song) page such as
Nielshoogvliet would feel that your statements regarding Allmusic and Art Beatz producer credits are warranted or valid here.
SoCalDogLover (
talk)
23:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
SoCalDogLover
- I am the creator of the article and the nominator has placed that {{Undisclosed paid}} template on that page. I am not sure what has made them do that.
Olisaiuer (
talk)
20:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Praxidicae, you removed this source as well. Is that not a RS? Olisaiuer ( talk) 21:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- No, it is 100% not an RS. See WP:RSN. Praxidicae ( talk) 00:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Not as long as it encourages "Citizen Journalists" to submit pieces, and boasts about its "crowd-sourced editing" it isn't. Ravenswing 15:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as likely paid-for spam. I've blocked the creator, Olisaiuer, for spamming. MER-C 17:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The sources aren't up to standards for establishing notability, mostly minor blogs/websites and interviews. An AllMusic profile can help in determining notability, but he does not have a profile, but rather just a list of credits, something afforded to anyone who works on music released for retail, per AllMusic's/TiVo mission statement. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 21:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.