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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 03:08, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Arbanaška vera
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This short article is a WP:COATRACK conflation of two different subjects: the description of Roman Catholicism as practiced in the Serbian Empire as Arbanaška vera (Albanian Faith) in emperor Dušan the Mighty's 1349 law code, and the outdated Serbian exonym Arbanaš to purportedly describe the people who now call themselves Albanians.
If anything, the entire article could be summarized by a paragraph in Dušan's Code and a paragraph at Albanians#Ethnonym. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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Amanuensis Balkanicus, its not "purported". The term Arbanaška (derived from Arbanas) was used for Albanians by South Slavic peoples until late into the Ottoman period. We can have that discussion on my talkpage or yours (with RS sources) if you so wish. As for the existence of this article, i am not fussed about it existing or being deleted. My perspective is that portions of content would better suited to articles about
Catholicism in Albania, (possibly also
Catholicism in Kosovo and
Catholicism in North Macedonia) as that's what it refers too anyway and of course a sentence or two in the article about Dusan's code.
Resnjari (
talk)
07:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- So you're open to deleting this article and copy-pasting its content to other articles? Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 16:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 19:26, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose There is no WP:COATRACK here. I would accept this article merge to an article dedicated to the treatment of Catholics in Dusan's time. The topic has plenty material available from RS. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 10:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep but rename -- This is an unsatisfactory article, but might provide a basis for a general article on History of Catholicism in the western Balkans. At present we have List of Roman Catholic dioceses in the Balkans, which is a list and best left as such. We also have Catholic Church in North Macedonia; Catholic Church in Albania; etc., which deal with single modern countries, almost all arising from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire in 1880s to 1910s. We seem to lack a general article on the subject to which this, shorn of its present anti-Catholic POV might be a useful contribution. Not a COATRACK or irredeemably lacking NPOV, but it needs amendment. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep "coatrack" does not seem to be part of the deletion policies. The article cites 5 sources, and there is no argument to explain why this fails WP:GNG. Dartslilly ( talk) 01:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 03:08, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Arbanaška vera
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This short article is a WP:COATRACK conflation of two different subjects: the description of Roman Catholicism as practiced in the Serbian Empire as Arbanaška vera (Albanian Faith) in emperor Dušan the Mighty's 1349 law code, and the outdated Serbian exonym Arbanaš to purportedly describe the people who now call themselves Albanians.
If anything, the entire article could be summarized by a paragraph in Dušan's Code and a paragraph at Albanians#Ethnonym. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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Amanuensis Balkanicus, its not "purported". The term Arbanaška (derived from Arbanas) was used for Albanians by South Slavic peoples until late into the Ottoman period. We can have that discussion on my talkpage or yours (with RS sources) if you so wish. As for the existence of this article, i am not fussed about it existing or being deleted. My perspective is that portions of content would better suited to articles about
Catholicism in Albania, (possibly also
Catholicism in Kosovo and
Catholicism in North Macedonia) as that's what it refers too anyway and of course a sentence or two in the article about Dusan's code.
Resnjari (
talk)
07:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- So you're open to deleting this article and copy-pasting its content to other articles? Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 16:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 19:26, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose There is no WP:COATRACK here. I would accept this article merge to an article dedicated to the treatment of Catholics in Dusan's time. The topic has plenty material available from RS. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 10:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep but rename -- This is an unsatisfactory article, but might provide a basis for a general article on History of Catholicism in the western Balkans. At present we have List of Roman Catholic dioceses in the Balkans, which is a list and best left as such. We also have Catholic Church in North Macedonia; Catholic Church in Albania; etc., which deal with single modern countries, almost all arising from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire in 1880s to 1910s. We seem to lack a general article on the subject to which this, shorn of its present anti-Catholic POV might be a useful contribution. Not a COATRACK or irredeemably lacking NPOV, but it needs amendment. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep "coatrack" does not seem to be part of the deletion policies. The article cites 5 sources, and there is no argument to explain why this fails WP:GNG. Dartslilly ( talk) 01:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.