The result was no consensus. This one is a bit of a mess. There is a clear dispute, not as to the subject's existence, but whether she actually won a competition that would make her notable. Rather than re-listing it, I am closing it as NC and strongly suggest to the editors involved that the article is improved so that it meets our policies or guidelines, or the inevitable result will be that it is nominated again. Black Kite ( talk) 00:19, 21 January 2013 (UTC) reply
The article claims this individual to be the crowned first Miss Turkey in 1925, yet the first Miss Turkey contest itself was actually held many years later in 1929 and was won by Feriha Tevfik (in fact, a common general knowledge quiz question here). The list of winners is publicly available on the official Miss Turkey website and many other places on the internet. The claims in the article about the individual itself seems to originate from a Hürriyet piece in 2010 (also used as a reference in the article) which had a mention of a "Araksi Cetinyan" and seems to have proliferated from that through Armenian sites on the internet since 2010. No other detail is present; whether this person even existed is doubtful. Maviyengeç ( talk) 05:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC) reply
If she won the official and recognized 'Miss Turkey' national pageant and had a notable film career (like Feriha Tevfik), and that information was backed up by widely available multiple, credible sources, then she deserves an article . But simply participating in or winning any odd thing doesn't quite cut it. There are thousands of beauty pagaeants held all over the world, and usually all of them claim to be the definite one. Anyone can hold one anywhere. I could hold one in my basement and crown my daughter 'the most beautiful girl in the world' with the prize being a bar of chocolate :) I would also like to add that the real objective of this article isnt about providing information, but about promoting an ethnic nationalist-chauvanist agenda, judging by the parties pushing this. -- Maviyengeç ( talk) 03:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC) reply
Note on Sources: Participants please see the TP of the article about "honest mistakes" in the use of sources and do not hesitate to ask me if there is anything not clear enough. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC) reply
1.1.Türkiye’de Güzellik Yarışmalarının Tarihi ve Türkiye’nin Modernleşme Sürecindeki Anlamı Günümüz dünyasının ilk güzellik yarışması Belçika’da Concours de Beaute adı altında 350 aday ile yapılmış 18 yaşındaki Bertha Soucaret ilk güzellik kraliçesi olmuştur. İlk resmi ve uluslararası yarışma 14 Ağustos 1908 tarihinde İngiltere Folkstone şehrinde, ilk “Dünya Güzellik Kraliçesi” yarışması ise 19 Nisan 1951 tarihinde Londra Festivali kapsamında düzenlenmiştir. Türkiye'deki ilk güzellik yarışması 1926 yılında İpek Film önderliğinde Melek Sinemasında (Bugünkü Emek sineması) düzenlenmiş ve yarışmayı sinemanın yer göstericisinin kızı Matmazel Araksi Çetinyan kazanmıştır. Fakat yarışma geçersiz sayılmıştır. İlk ciddi ve resmi organizasyon 1929 yılında Mustafa Kemal Atatürk direktifiyle Cumhuriyet Gazetesi tarafından düzenlenmiştir. 25 Şubat 1929 tarihinde yapılan duyurularda 16 ila 25 yaş arası her namuslu Türk kızının iştirak edebileceği ve bar kızlarının yarışmaya alınmayacağı açıklanmıştır. 2-3 Eylül 1929 yılında yapılan yarışmayı 19 yaşındaki Feriha Tevfik (Dağ) kazanmıştır.
Source: http://iys.inonu.edu.tr/webpanel/dosyalar/988/file/kultur.pdf
Let me translate for you the important content (the essence, I bolded those parts). The contest made in 1926 won by Ms Çetinyan was annulled (or "invalidated", I am not a native speaker of English; the result was considering it null and void). The first official and serious pageant was organized by the "Cumhuriyet" newspaper on 2-3 September 1929 and was won by Feriha Tevfik. (I add: Ms Çetinyan has taken the third place in this pageant per sources.) This is it. -- E4024 ( talk) 10:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC) reply
@User Malabu and others: I added more examples of "misuse" of sources (even after I reported this practice) by the main editor of the stub. This is not a talk about that contributor but their contributions which make this stub not acceptable as a WP article. -- E4024 ( talk) 11:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC) reply
Keep As one of the providers of sources, I think that this person is notable from the point of view of sources. Almost of all sources deal this person as the first miss Turkey. "Misuse of sources" is not a valid reason to keep or delete an article. Takabeg ( talk) 23:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC) reply
The result was no consensus. This one is a bit of a mess. There is a clear dispute, not as to the subject's existence, but whether she actually won a competition that would make her notable. Rather than re-listing it, I am closing it as NC and strongly suggest to the editors involved that the article is improved so that it meets our policies or guidelines, or the inevitable result will be that it is nominated again. Black Kite ( talk) 00:19, 21 January 2013 (UTC) reply
The article claims this individual to be the crowned first Miss Turkey in 1925, yet the first Miss Turkey contest itself was actually held many years later in 1929 and was won by Feriha Tevfik (in fact, a common general knowledge quiz question here). The list of winners is publicly available on the official Miss Turkey website and many other places on the internet. The claims in the article about the individual itself seems to originate from a Hürriyet piece in 2010 (also used as a reference in the article) which had a mention of a "Araksi Cetinyan" and seems to have proliferated from that through Armenian sites on the internet since 2010. No other detail is present; whether this person even existed is doubtful. Maviyengeç ( talk) 05:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC) reply
If she won the official and recognized 'Miss Turkey' national pageant and had a notable film career (like Feriha Tevfik), and that information was backed up by widely available multiple, credible sources, then she deserves an article . But simply participating in or winning any odd thing doesn't quite cut it. There are thousands of beauty pagaeants held all over the world, and usually all of them claim to be the definite one. Anyone can hold one anywhere. I could hold one in my basement and crown my daughter 'the most beautiful girl in the world' with the prize being a bar of chocolate :) I would also like to add that the real objective of this article isnt about providing information, but about promoting an ethnic nationalist-chauvanist agenda, judging by the parties pushing this. -- Maviyengeç ( talk) 03:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC) reply
Note on Sources: Participants please see the TP of the article about "honest mistakes" in the use of sources and do not hesitate to ask me if there is anything not clear enough. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC) reply
1.1.Türkiye’de Güzellik Yarışmalarının Tarihi ve Türkiye’nin Modernleşme Sürecindeki Anlamı Günümüz dünyasının ilk güzellik yarışması Belçika’da Concours de Beaute adı altında 350 aday ile yapılmış 18 yaşındaki Bertha Soucaret ilk güzellik kraliçesi olmuştur. İlk resmi ve uluslararası yarışma 14 Ağustos 1908 tarihinde İngiltere Folkstone şehrinde, ilk “Dünya Güzellik Kraliçesi” yarışması ise 19 Nisan 1951 tarihinde Londra Festivali kapsamında düzenlenmiştir. Türkiye'deki ilk güzellik yarışması 1926 yılında İpek Film önderliğinde Melek Sinemasında (Bugünkü Emek sineması) düzenlenmiş ve yarışmayı sinemanın yer göstericisinin kızı Matmazel Araksi Çetinyan kazanmıştır. Fakat yarışma geçersiz sayılmıştır. İlk ciddi ve resmi organizasyon 1929 yılında Mustafa Kemal Atatürk direktifiyle Cumhuriyet Gazetesi tarafından düzenlenmiştir. 25 Şubat 1929 tarihinde yapılan duyurularda 16 ila 25 yaş arası her namuslu Türk kızının iştirak edebileceği ve bar kızlarının yarışmaya alınmayacağı açıklanmıştır. 2-3 Eylül 1929 yılında yapılan yarışmayı 19 yaşındaki Feriha Tevfik (Dağ) kazanmıştır.
Source: http://iys.inonu.edu.tr/webpanel/dosyalar/988/file/kultur.pdf
Let me translate for you the important content (the essence, I bolded those parts). The contest made in 1926 won by Ms Çetinyan was annulled (or "invalidated", I am not a native speaker of English; the result was considering it null and void). The first official and serious pageant was organized by the "Cumhuriyet" newspaper on 2-3 September 1929 and was won by Feriha Tevfik. (I add: Ms Çetinyan has taken the third place in this pageant per sources.) This is it. -- E4024 ( talk) 10:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC) reply
@User Malabu and others: I added more examples of "misuse" of sources (even after I reported this practice) by the main editor of the stub. This is not a talk about that contributor but their contributions which make this stub not acceptable as a WP article. -- E4024 ( talk) 11:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC) reply
Keep As one of the providers of sources, I think that this person is notable from the point of view of sources. Almost of all sources deal this person as the first miss Turkey. "Misuse of sources" is not a valid reason to keep or delete an article. Takabeg ( talk) 23:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC) reply