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The result was delete. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Arabs in Belgium
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This article is based on a problematic issue. It claims that "Arab Belgians ... are Belgians whose ancestry traces back to the Arab World". This is false, as many people who come from the Arab World do not identify as Arabs. 20% of the Libyan population and 30% of the Moroccan population are Berbers, for example. This article includes Lubna Azabal, whose ancestry is Berber, and the vast majority of examples provide no sources to say that these people (all BLPs) are "Arabs". Moroccans in Belgium is more precise and already exists, and this article duplicates most of it. Black Kite (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Ethnic groups, and Belgium. Qwv ( talk) 18:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete energetically. Per nom.— Alalch E. 19:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete quickly. Per nom. // Timothy :: talk 19:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I have removed anything that has nothing to do with the Arabs and clarified some things. You should take a look at this too Berbers in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: It is possible to keep the text, but you have to remove almost everything, only the first and third paragraph would remain. The text has another problem: it mentions mosques, but Islam is not synonymous with Arab, and there may even be people whose ancestry is completely Belgian and have converted to Islam. Jvbignacio9 ( talk) 17:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: since this has such a strong connection to BLPs strong consideration should be paid to whether this inclusion category is well defined enough per WP:PRECISE and nom arguements to have an article. Is its content or history in the article that is worth keeping if it was renamed and/or the inclusion criteria/lead changed to reflect a more WP:PRECISE criteria (if so exactly what is that content worth saving)? Again the strong connection to BLPs should be a main factor in considering all this; the number of BLPs that have been removed from the article and the nom show (as well as the recent ANI [1] related to all this) the article has a nebulous and unclear criteria. // Timothy :: talk 02:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as the population figures include non-Arabs, the content about the Arab European League is covered by Arab European League and the information about mosques at Islam in Belgium#Religious infrastructure and Great Mosque of Brussels, and removing that would leave nothing apart from a contentious BLP list. If anyone finds good sources on Arabs in Belgium as a topic, I'm open to changing my mind. Cordless Larry ( talk) 11:12, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and others above, and possibly merge somewhere if the text needs to be preserved. CycloneYoris talk! 08:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - as per the nom's concerns. Onel5969 TT me 20:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:16, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Arabs in Belgium
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This article is based on a problematic issue. It claims that "Arab Belgians ... are Belgians whose ancestry traces back to the Arab World". This is false, as many people who come from the Arab World do not identify as Arabs. 20% of the Libyan population and 30% of the Moroccan population are Berbers, for example. This article includes Lubna Azabal, whose ancestry is Berber, and the vast majority of examples provide no sources to say that these people (all BLPs) are "Arabs". Moroccans in Belgium is more precise and already exists, and this article duplicates most of it. Black Kite (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Ethnic groups, and Belgium. Qwv ( talk) 18:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete energetically. Per nom.— Alalch E. 19:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete quickly. Per nom. // Timothy :: talk 19:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I have removed anything that has nothing to do with the Arabs and clarified some things. You should take a look at this too Berbers in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: It is possible to keep the text, but you have to remove almost everything, only the first and third paragraph would remain. The text has another problem: it mentions mosques, but Islam is not synonymous with Arab, and there may even be people whose ancestry is completely Belgian and have converted to Islam. Jvbignacio9 ( talk) 17:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: since this has such a strong connection to BLPs strong consideration should be paid to whether this inclusion category is well defined enough per WP:PRECISE and nom arguements to have an article. Is its content or history in the article that is worth keeping if it was renamed and/or the inclusion criteria/lead changed to reflect a more WP:PRECISE criteria (if so exactly what is that content worth saving)? Again the strong connection to BLPs should be a main factor in considering all this; the number of BLPs that have been removed from the article and the nom show (as well as the recent ANI [1] related to all this) the article has a nebulous and unclear criteria. // Timothy :: talk 02:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as the population figures include non-Arabs, the content about the Arab European League is covered by Arab European League and the information about mosques at Islam in Belgium#Religious infrastructure and Great Mosque of Brussels, and removing that would leave nothing apart from a contentious BLP list. If anyone finds good sources on Arabs in Belgium as a topic, I'm open to changing my mind. Cordless Larry ( talk) 11:12, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and others above, and possibly merge somewhere if the text needs to be preserved. CycloneYoris talk! 08:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - as per the nom's concerns. Onel5969 TT me 20:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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