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The result was keep. Randykitty ( talk) 17:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Anthony Vella
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Seeing nothing that indicates that this subject has any notability. Being a family court judge is not enough to have an article, also there's nothing here. Marleeashton ( talk) 07:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Law, and Malta. Marleeashton ( talk) 07:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Soft delete per Marleeashton
- Signed, Pichemist ( Contribs | Talk ) 13:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete since only being a judge is not enough to have a Wikipedia article. Fad Ariff ( talk) 13:11, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Deemed notable by WP:JUDGE as serving as a judge at a national level. Malta has a bench of 24 judges for the whole country of which Vella is one. The fact that he is a family law specialist is irrelevant. Philafrenzy ( talk) 22:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm undecided here. Yes, he does meet WP:JUDGE. However, that is clearly only designed to cover countries that have more than one level of judiciary (as most do). As Malta does not, that would mean that following the guideline blindly would mean that all Maltese judges are inherently notable whereas judges from other countries who have equivalent status are not, which seems a little strange. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- They are a small country, but they have a correspondingly small judiciary of only 24 judges. In addition, there is a junior level of magistrates below them, from which Vella was promoted.
Philafrenzy (
talk)
14:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Magistrates are not part of the judiciary, which is why they're not called judges. My point is that, say, an English circuit judge is not considered to be notable per
WP:JUDGE because England has three tiers of judges above his tier, yet the cases he deals with are no different from those dealt with by the Maltese judges. Yes, Vella does clearly meet
WP:JUDGE, and I'm not disputing that, but in these circumstances I'm not sure that the guideline is a useful or sensible one. Of course the judges in a tiny island nation have national jurisdiction; it would make no sense for them not to have. Usually I'm all for
WP:JUDGE/
WP:POLITICIAN, but there are always some exceptions. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree he has national jurisdiction as you say. Philafrenzy ( talk) 16:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Magistrates are not part of the judiciary, which is why they're not called judges. My point is that, say, an English circuit judge is not considered to be notable per
WP:JUDGE because England has three tiers of judges above his tier, yet the cases he deals with are no different from those dealt with by the Maltese judges. Yes, Vella does clearly meet
WP:JUDGE, and I'm not disputing that, but in these circumstances I'm not sure that the guideline is a useful or sensible one. Of course the judges in a tiny island nation have national jurisdiction; it would make no sense for them not to have. Usually I'm all for
WP:JUDGE/
WP:POLITICIAN, but there are always some exceptions. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- They are a small country, but they have a correspondingly small judiciary of only 24 judges. In addition, there is a junior level of magistrates below them, from which Vella was promoted.
Philafrenzy (
talk)
14:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep... also has biographical coverage in media in his country. Whispyhistory ( talk) 12:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:JUDGE - end of. Ingratis ( talk) 14:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The article subject has sufficient WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV by independent WP:RS to establish WP:NOTABILITY and satisfy WP:GNG. With the conditions of WP:JUDGE also satisfied, this is a clear keep backed by policy. I could consider deletion if there were a lack of WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV or if the subject didn’t meet WP:JUDGE. However, for the reasons I laid out above, there is WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV and the subject meets WP:JUDGE. Shawn Teller ( talk) 16:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep He meets criteria for WP:JUDGE, which does not contain an "except when the country is very small" clause. Joyous! Noise! 17:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Randykitty ( talk) 17:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Anthony Vella
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Seeing nothing that indicates that this subject has any notability. Being a family court judge is not enough to have an article, also there's nothing here. Marleeashton ( talk) 07:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Law, and Malta. Marleeashton ( talk) 07:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Soft delete per Marleeashton
- Signed, Pichemist ( Contribs | Talk ) 13:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:56, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete since only being a judge is not enough to have a Wikipedia article. Fad Ariff ( talk) 13:11, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Deemed notable by WP:JUDGE as serving as a judge at a national level. Malta has a bench of 24 judges for the whole country of which Vella is one. The fact that he is a family law specialist is irrelevant. Philafrenzy ( talk) 22:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm undecided here. Yes, he does meet WP:JUDGE. However, that is clearly only designed to cover countries that have more than one level of judiciary (as most do). As Malta does not, that would mean that following the guideline blindly would mean that all Maltese judges are inherently notable whereas judges from other countries who have equivalent status are not, which seems a little strange. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- They are a small country, but they have a correspondingly small judiciary of only 24 judges. In addition, there is a junior level of magistrates below them, from which Vella was promoted.
Philafrenzy (
talk)
14:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Magistrates are not part of the judiciary, which is why they're not called judges. My point is that, say, an English circuit judge is not considered to be notable per
WP:JUDGE because England has three tiers of judges above his tier, yet the cases he deals with are no different from those dealt with by the Maltese judges. Yes, Vella does clearly meet
WP:JUDGE, and I'm not disputing that, but in these circumstances I'm not sure that the guideline is a useful or sensible one. Of course the judges in a tiny island nation have national jurisdiction; it would make no sense for them not to have. Usually I'm all for
WP:JUDGE/
WP:POLITICIAN, but there are always some exceptions. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree he has national jurisdiction as you say. Philafrenzy ( talk) 16:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Magistrates are not part of the judiciary, which is why they're not called judges. My point is that, say, an English circuit judge is not considered to be notable per
WP:JUDGE because England has three tiers of judges above his tier, yet the cases he deals with are no different from those dealt with by the Maltese judges. Yes, Vella does clearly meet
WP:JUDGE, and I'm not disputing that, but in these circumstances I'm not sure that the guideline is a useful or sensible one. Of course the judges in a tiny island nation have national jurisdiction; it would make no sense for them not to have. Usually I'm all for
WP:JUDGE/
WP:POLITICIAN, but there are always some exceptions. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- They are a small country, but they have a correspondingly small judiciary of only 24 judges. In addition, there is a junior level of magistrates below them, from which Vella was promoted.
Philafrenzy (
talk)
14:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep... also has biographical coverage in media in his country. Whispyhistory ( talk) 12:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:JUDGE - end of. Ingratis ( talk) 14:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. The article subject has sufficient WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV by independent WP:RS to establish WP:NOTABILITY and satisfy WP:GNG. With the conditions of WP:JUDGE also satisfied, this is a clear keep backed by policy. I could consider deletion if there were a lack of WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV or if the subject didn’t meet WP:JUDGE. However, for the reasons I laid out above, there is WP:INDEPTH WP:SIGCOV and the subject meets WP:JUDGE. Shawn Teller ( talk) 16:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep He meets criteria for WP:JUDGE, which does not contain an "except when the country is very small" clause. Joyous! Noise! 17:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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