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The result was keep. David Eppstein, please move to correct title and make deirects as appropriate DGG ( talk ) 02:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Annie Wan
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Per source searches, does not meet WP:BASIC or WP:ARTIST. North America 1000 05:32, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Delete per nom: WP:NOTLINKEDIN.~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)- Delete - Could not find anything online about this artist. RelaxedTim ( talk) 12:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The correct Annie is notable
L3X1
(distænt write) 22:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Delete Fails GNG. L3X1 (distænt write) 19:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Nothing online about the subject. Fails WP:GNG and does not meet WP:BASIC. - AuthorAuthor ( talk) 05:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not Linkedin. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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- FYI Full name Annie Wan Lai Kuen returns numerous sources. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- SPEEDY KEEP based on the multiple museum collections she is in, thereby meeting WP:ARTIST. I've added them-- see the article. There are many many sources out there. She's a ceramicist primarily, who went back to school to get a degree in more technological art. Someone wrote her up as a 'locative media' artist, which is now what she is known for. the article might have been a rebranding attempt. It;s her ceramics that are in multiple collections around the world. Virtually all of the votes above (and the nom) are incorrect, as there are lots of sources if you look for them using the proper name. This nomination should almost be thrown out, as it and the discussion above is largely incorrect. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK let's hold on a minute. There seem to be two artists named Annie Wan. The article before i started adding referenced seems to have already mixed up the two of them.... although I am not sure.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- yes, compare the photos in the references:
DXArts alumna or
Professor at HK Baptist university? It's two different people. The article needs to be rewritten to be about the professor... but maybe TNT is more appropriate. This confusion is included in the
original article back in April 2016.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Fixed I removed all instances of the younger Annie Wan and kept the instances of the more notable Annie Wan Lai Kuen. Article should be probably be renamed to Annie Wan Lai Kuen. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- yes, compare the photos in the references:
DXArts alumna or
Professor at HK Baptist university? It's two different people. The article needs to be rewritten to be about the professor... but maybe TNT is more appropriate. This confusion is included in the
original article back in April 2016.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK let's hold on a minute. There seem to be two artists named Annie Wan. The article before i started adding referenced seems to have already mixed up the two of them.... although I am not sure.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment – The problem with this is that the biographies of two different people will be intermingled in the Revision history for this article. I recommend that a new, separate article be made for Annie Wan Lai Kuen. I also notice that some of the content from the version of the article when nominated for deletion ( link) contains some of the same content in the revised article ( diff), which is ambiguous and could potentially be inaccurate. North America 1000 02:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- I agree, can you make the new article form the material here? 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Also, I am not sure what you mean by "when nominated for deletion (link) contains some of the same content in the revised article (diff)", as this is true of almost all articles nominated for deletion and cleaned up. Since you started the AfD, and your WP:BEFORE did not turn up the dual identities in the nominated article, it would certainly be lovely if you took care of fixing whatever objections you have. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 03:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For more discussion of sources found. Note that this is the article for Annie Wan Lai-kuen/Annie Wan Lai Kuen.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c · m) 04:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: For more discussion of sources found. Note that this is the article for Annie Wan Lai-kuen/Annie Wan Lai Kuen.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c · m) 04:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep now that we've focused the article on Wan Lai-kuen. She clearly passes WP:ARTIST 4(d), "represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". No opinion on whether we should have an article on the other Annie Wan but for now we should discuss the one we do have. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep... in some form. Well, this is a confusing one. I agree that Annie Wan Lai Kuen is clearly notable, but as originally created this article was about Annie Wan (albeit with some details about Wan Lai Kuen mixed in) and the consensus seems to be that she is not yet notable. Many thanks to the IP editor for improving the article and clearing up the confusion, but in doing so they've shifted the topic from one person to another, which is not ideal. We could just keep it as is, but I agree with Northamerica1000 that the clearest thing to do would be to copy the current content to a new article at Annie Wan Lai Kuen. Obviously then Annie Wan would have to be redirected there rather than deleted, to retain the attribution in the page history. – Joe ( talk) 11:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Move to
Annie Wan Lai Keun and make
Annie Wan into a redirect. A Google search shows that some results have a hyphen between the last two names, and "Keun" both with and without an upper-case "k", so other redirects might also be required.
~dom Kaos~ (
talk) 11:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Western-first-name surname Chinese-first-name?? That's a really weird name order. I don't think I've ever seen it used outside of this article. Even aside from your misspelling, the standard name orderings would be Annie Lai Kuen Wan (as used in the Burger Collection link), Annie Lai-kuen Wan (as used in the Salford link), or Wan Lai Kuen (Annie) (if you insist on using the Chinese name ordering then you should do something to separate the western name from that ordering). — David Eppstein ( talk) 12:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Forgive me, I put my hands up and admit that my knowledge of Chinese naming conventions is clearly lacking: I hope nobody is offended. David Eppstein, I'll leave you to suggest the best name for the main page and decide which redirects are required. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 14:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. David Eppstein, please move to correct title and make deirects as appropriate DGG ( talk ) 02:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Annie Wan
- Annie Wan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Per source searches, does not meet WP:BASIC or WP:ARTIST. North America 1000 05:32, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 05:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Delete per nom: WP:NOTLINKEDIN.~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)- Delete - Could not find anything online about this artist. RelaxedTim ( talk) 12:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The correct Annie is notable
L3X1
(distænt write) 22:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Delete Fails GNG. L3X1 (distænt write) 19:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 19:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Nothing online about the subject. Fails WP:GNG and does not meet WP:BASIC. - AuthorAuthor ( talk) 05:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not Linkedin. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- FYI Full name Annie Wan Lai Kuen returns numerous sources. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- SPEEDY KEEP based on the multiple museum collections she is in, thereby meeting WP:ARTIST. I've added them-- see the article. There are many many sources out there. She's a ceramicist primarily, who went back to school to get a degree in more technological art. Someone wrote her up as a 'locative media' artist, which is now what she is known for. the article might have been a rebranding attempt. It;s her ceramics that are in multiple collections around the world. Virtually all of the votes above (and the nom) are incorrect, as there are lots of sources if you look for them using the proper name. This nomination should almost be thrown out, as it and the discussion above is largely incorrect. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK let's hold on a minute. There seem to be two artists named Annie Wan. The article before i started adding referenced seems to have already mixed up the two of them.... although I am not sure.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- yes, compare the photos in the references:
DXArts alumna or
Professor at HK Baptist university? It's two different people. The article needs to be rewritten to be about the professor... but maybe TNT is more appropriate. This confusion is included in the
original article back in April 2016.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Fixed I removed all instances of the younger Annie Wan and kept the instances of the more notable Annie Wan Lai Kuen. Article should be probably be renamed to Annie Wan Lai Kuen. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 07:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- yes, compare the photos in the references:
DXArts alumna or
Professor at HK Baptist university? It's two different people. The article needs to be rewritten to be about the professor... but maybe TNT is more appropriate. This confusion is included in the
original article back in April 2016.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:50, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- OK let's hold on a minute. There seem to be two artists named Annie Wan. The article before i started adding referenced seems to have already mixed up the two of them.... although I am not sure.
104.163.154.101 (
talk) 07:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment – The problem with this is that the biographies of two different people will be intermingled in the Revision history for this article. I recommend that a new, separate article be made for Annie Wan Lai Kuen. I also notice that some of the content from the version of the article when nominated for deletion ( link) contains some of the same content in the revised article ( diff), which is ambiguous and could potentially be inaccurate. North America 1000 02:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- I agree, can you make the new article form the material here? 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Also, I am not sure what you mean by "when nominated for deletion (link) contains some of the same content in the revised article (diff)", as this is true of almost all articles nominated for deletion and cleaned up. Since you started the AfD, and your WP:BEFORE did not turn up the dual identities in the nominated article, it would certainly be lovely if you took care of fixing whatever objections you have. 104.163.154.101 ( talk) 03:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For more discussion of sources found. Note that this is the article for Annie Wan Lai-kuen/Annie Wan Lai Kuen.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c · m) 04:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: For more discussion of sources found. Note that this is the article for Annie Wan Lai-kuen/Annie Wan Lai Kuen.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 ( c · m) 04:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep now that we've focused the article on Wan Lai-kuen. She clearly passes WP:ARTIST 4(d), "represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". No opinion on whether we should have an article on the other Annie Wan but for now we should discuss the one we do have. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. – Joe ( talk) 11:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep... in some form. Well, this is a confusing one. I agree that Annie Wan Lai Kuen is clearly notable, but as originally created this article was about Annie Wan (albeit with some details about Wan Lai Kuen mixed in) and the consensus seems to be that she is not yet notable. Many thanks to the IP editor for improving the article and clearing up the confusion, but in doing so they've shifted the topic from one person to another, which is not ideal. We could just keep it as is, but I agree with Northamerica1000 that the clearest thing to do would be to copy the current content to a new article at Annie Wan Lai Kuen. Obviously then Annie Wan would have to be redirected there rather than deleted, to retain the attribution in the page history. – Joe ( talk) 11:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Move to
Annie Wan Lai Keun and make
Annie Wan into a redirect. A Google search shows that some results have a hyphen between the last two names, and "Keun" both with and without an upper-case "k", so other redirects might also be required.
~dom Kaos~ (
talk) 11:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Western-first-name surname Chinese-first-name?? That's a really weird name order. I don't think I've ever seen it used outside of this article. Even aside from your misspelling, the standard name orderings would be Annie Lai Kuen Wan (as used in the Burger Collection link), Annie Lai-kuen Wan (as used in the Salford link), or Wan Lai Kuen (Annie) (if you insist on using the Chinese name ordering then you should do something to separate the western name from that ordering). — David Eppstein ( talk) 12:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- Forgive me, I put my hands up and admit that my knowledge of Chinese naming conventions is clearly lacking: I hope nobody is offended. David Eppstein, I'll leave you to suggest the best name for the main page and decide which redirects are required. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 14:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.