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The result was keep. Fenix down ( talk) 06:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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Both German Frauen Bundesliga and the Dutch Eredivisie are categorised as "not fully professional" by WP:FPL. She has not played a competitive international from the senior national team. So, she fails WP:NFOOTY. No sign that she passes WP:GNG. ( NPP action) Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG & NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Yes she fails NFooty, but from what I can see on a google search it might be possible she does pass GNG, there is certainly fair coverage once you get past the profiles. Govvy ( talk) 11:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per more than impressive coverage. Also, I believe we should consider adding the Frauen Bundesliga and Eredivisie Vrouwen to the leagues whose players are held notable. We cannot change the rules after the nomination yet support could be tested during this discussion before being discussed in the correct forum.
gidonb (
talk)
14:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Women's division players should be notable when their male equivalent is notable.
Asmodea Oaktree (
talk)
12:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- "Should be notable" but are they? We're descriptive, not prescriptive. In some countries women may play more of another team sport, in others the leagues just will not get much pay and coverage regardless. The Daily Show has addressed this inequality at the US national team level. [1] [2] Right now only for the US and UK women's leagues the players are held notable. I would initially submit four more: France, Germany, Netherlands, and Sweden. If successful, we'd triple and see where to take it next. As more people join in a demand to "keep" this article based on facts, we may have something to show. gidonb ( talk) 08:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Women's division players should be notable when their male equivalent is notable.
Asmodea Oaktree (
talk)
12:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Article about semi-pro footballer who appears to be the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Lübecker Nachrichten (a regional newspaper for Schleswig-Holstein) has in-depth coverage (e.g., [3]). I think there is enough other coverage (none of which is as in-depth) such as [4] to conclude WP:GNG is met. Perhaps we risk WP:TOOSOON, but I think there is just enough to flesh this out. Jogurney ( talk) 16:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Again, a little coverage doesn't make the player pass GNG. If we want to argue that these leagues are where the women are automatically notable then the case needs to be made at WP:FPL. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 03:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, looking at the sources brought up by Jogurney, I am convinced that this person passes WP:GNG, even though they fail NFOOTY. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 07:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep played two senior career match on a loan spell at FC Twente, passes GNG. ( F5pillar---/ 'Messager🖋📩) 10:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep she has also played in the Champions League as well as Twente. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:GNG.
WP:FPL still a heavily biased essay "managed" by a handful of self-appointed editors.
Hmlarson (
talk)
01:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- FPL is but a list of verifiable information, so I do not know how it can be biased or how the number of editors managing it is relevant to its legitimacy. It has no further purpose than to help quickly check whether someone meets NFOOTY, the notability guideline of relevance here. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:GNG Asmodea Oaktree ( talk) 12:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep
WP:NFOOTY says nothing about "fully professional". She meets requirements of
WP:GNG regardless.
Tsistunagiska (
talk)
19:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it does. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - fails NFOOTY but meets GNG as per sources highlighted by others; significant coverage Spiderone 13:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Fenix down ( talk) 06:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Anna-Lena Stolze
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Both German Frauen Bundesliga and the Dutch Eredivisie are categorised as "not fully professional" by WP:FPL. She has not played a competitive international from the senior national team. So, she fails WP:NFOOTY. No sign that she passes WP:GNG. ( NPP action) Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 07:07, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG & NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Yes she fails NFooty, but from what I can see on a google search it might be possible she does pass GNG, there is certainly fair coverage once you get past the profiles. Govvy ( talk) 11:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per more than impressive coverage. Also, I believe we should consider adding the Frauen Bundesliga and Eredivisie Vrouwen to the leagues whose players are held notable. We cannot change the rules after the nomination yet support could be tested during this discussion before being discussed in the correct forum.
gidonb (
talk)
14:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Women's division players should be notable when their male equivalent is notable.
Asmodea Oaktree (
talk)
12:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- "Should be notable" but are they? We're descriptive, not prescriptive. In some countries women may play more of another team sport, in others the leagues just will not get much pay and coverage regardless. The Daily Show has addressed this inequality at the US national team level. [1] [2] Right now only for the US and UK women's leagues the players are held notable. I would initially submit four more: France, Germany, Netherlands, and Sweden. If successful, we'd triple and see where to take it next. As more people join in a demand to "keep" this article based on facts, we may have something to show. gidonb ( talk) 08:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Women's division players should be notable when their male equivalent is notable.
Asmodea Oaktree (
talk)
12:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Article about semi-pro footballer who appears to be the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Lübecker Nachrichten (a regional newspaper for Schleswig-Holstein) has in-depth coverage (e.g., [3]). I think there is enough other coverage (none of which is as in-depth) such as [4] to conclude WP:GNG is met. Perhaps we risk WP:TOOSOON, but I think there is just enough to flesh this out. Jogurney ( talk) 16:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Again, a little coverage doesn't make the player pass GNG. If we want to argue that these leagues are where the women are automatically notable then the case needs to be made at WP:FPL. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 03:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, looking at the sources brought up by Jogurney, I am convinced that this person passes WP:GNG, even though they fail NFOOTY. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 07:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep played two senior career match on a loan spell at FC Twente, passes GNG. ( F5pillar---/ 'Messager🖋📩) 10:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep she has also played in the Champions League as well as Twente. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 16:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:GNG.
WP:FPL still a heavily biased essay "managed" by a handful of self-appointed editors.
Hmlarson (
talk)
01:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- FPL is but a list of verifiable information, so I do not know how it can be biased or how the number of editors managing it is relevant to its legitimacy. It has no further purpose than to help quickly check whether someone meets NFOOTY, the notability guideline of relevance here. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:GNG Asmodea Oaktree ( talk) 12:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep
WP:NFOOTY says nothing about "fully professional". She meets requirements of
WP:GNG regardless.
Tsistunagiska (
talk)
19:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it does. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - fails NFOOTY but meets GNG as per sources highlighted by others; significant coverage Spiderone 13:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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