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The result was delete. There is clear consensus to delete this article as written. Whether an article broader than Operation Valuable is needed is not a question for AfD, and should be settled by talk page discussion. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Anglo–American invasion of Communist Albania
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Clearly a POV fork of the article Operation Valuable and originally researched for the most part. There was no "Anglo-American invasion". Most reliable sources describe it as a covert paramilitary operation to topple a regime. The only source (a source of questionable academic value) which called it an "invasion" is this source and probably some other tabloids and blogs like this one. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 11:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete. The title, infobox, and beginning of the article portrays this as an invasion that happened and failed, whereas the body of the article is
WP:CRYSTALBALLing the possibility of an invasion. This entire article is better explained and nuanced by
Operation Valuable, and there is nothing here not already stated there.
Jebiguess (
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22:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Only the Operation Valuable section talks about Operation Valuable there rest is completely new and what about all those sources that state it as a conflict? Like i said before we can discuss about the name of the page but not if it actually happened because it did and i have added sources to back my claims. Based.shqiptar.frompirok ( talk) 03:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete obviously as a WP:POVFORK. Not an invasion (no, not even a "covert invasion", whatever that is). Redirect back to Operation Valuable where Anglo–American Invasion of Communist Albania still is directed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep We can discuss the name of the page but not whether it actually happened because It did, The sources clearly called it an invasion.
Operation Valuable was a part of the invasion, in all the invasion had around 3 Operations (that I know of) Operation Valuable, Operation BG/Fiend and Operation Economic Warfare.
Based.shqiptar.frompirok (
talk)
15:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- So your main problem with the page is the name? StephenMacky1, if that is true you could've just gone to the talk section and write it there not try to delete the whole page that has over 25 sources which are reliable. Based.shqiptar.frompirok ( talk) 13:41, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does appear to be a POVFORK and the differentiators between it and
Operation Valuable appear to be OR or SYNTH. Cheers,
Last1in (
talk)
18:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- How is it POVFORK if only the Operation Valuable section talks about it? 92.53.49.241 ( talk) 22:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete POV fork of the already problem-ridden Operation Valuable 123.243.216.213 ( talk) 05:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- (sockpuppet comment removed)
- How it can be POVFORK, and otherwise give examples. ToadetteEdit ( chat)/( logs) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. There is clear consensus to delete this article as written. Whether an article broader than Operation Valuable is needed is not a question for AfD, and should be settled by talk page discussion. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Anglo–American invasion of Communist Albania
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Clearly a POV fork of the article Operation Valuable and originally researched for the most part. There was no "Anglo-American invasion". Most reliable sources describe it as a covert paramilitary operation to topple a regime. The only source (a source of questionable academic value) which called it an "invasion" is this source and probably some other tabloids and blogs like this one. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 11:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Albania, United Kingdom, and United States of America. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 11:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete. The title, infobox, and beginning of the article portrays this as an invasion that happened and failed, whereas the body of the article is
WP:CRYSTALBALLing the possibility of an invasion. This entire article is better explained and nuanced by
Operation Valuable, and there is nothing here not already stated there.
Jebiguess (
talk)
22:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Only the Operation Valuable section talks about Operation Valuable there rest is completely new and what about all those sources that state it as a conflict? Like i said before we can discuss about the name of the page but not if it actually happened because it did and i have added sources to back my claims. Based.shqiptar.frompirok ( talk) 03:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete obviously as a WP:POVFORK. Not an invasion (no, not even a "covert invasion", whatever that is). Redirect back to Operation Valuable where Anglo–American Invasion of Communist Albania still is directed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep We can discuss the name of the page but not whether it actually happened because It did, The sources clearly called it an invasion.
Operation Valuable was a part of the invasion, in all the invasion had around 3 Operations (that I know of) Operation Valuable, Operation BG/Fiend and Operation Economic Warfare.
Based.shqiptar.frompirok (
talk)
15:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- So your main problem with the page is the name? StephenMacky1, if that is true you could've just gone to the talk section and write it there not try to delete the whole page that has over 25 sources which are reliable. Based.shqiptar.frompirok ( talk) 13:41, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does appear to be a POVFORK and the differentiators between it and
Operation Valuable appear to be OR or SYNTH. Cheers,
Last1in (
talk)
18:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- How is it POVFORK if only the Operation Valuable section talks about it? 92.53.49.241 ( talk) 22:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete POV fork of the already problem-ridden Operation Valuable 123.243.216.213 ( talk) 05:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- (sockpuppet comment removed)
- How it can be POVFORK, and otherwise give examples. ToadetteEdit ( chat)/( logs) 19:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.