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Non-notable writer, lack of independent coverage in reliable sources. ( t · c) buidhe 09:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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I have received your request for deletion and provided more sources below to keep and not delete article. (If you'd like me to put them in MediaWiki format, please let me know):
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous g anonymous ( talk • contribs) 12:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not notable -- I do not believe her list of publications is enough to make her notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Anonymous g anonymous: None of those sources count towards the subject's notability. To count towards notability, sources must be reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject. None of your sources satisfy all three of these requirements. Mlb96 ( talk) 19:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment @
Mlb96: How are the sources from
California Writers Club sub-division for Fremont not
reliable,
independent of the subject, and contain
significant coverage of the subject? And the
Copyright Law of the United States for her U.S. Copyright.
[1]
- Comment. She appears to have written the blurb from the California Writers Club newsletter herself, so it's not independent. ("If you have an accomplishment related to your writing, or some other aspect of your life, and would like to share it with FAW members in this space...") The copyright entry is a primary source, so also doesn't support notability. pburka ( talk) 21:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ms. Allen is a member of the California Writers Club, so it is not independent of the subject. The document from the Copyright Office is a primary source, and primary sources don't count towards notability either. Mlb96 ( talk) 01:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Further comment -- The issue is not whether the content of the article is true (which it probably is), but whether the subject is notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
clpo13(
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22:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I've looked at the sources provided and searched for coverage on my own, and my view is that the only sourcing available is too closely connected to Allen or her works to satisfy the WP:GNG: there's no in-depth secondary coverage. While I'm sure she's an accomplished young author, she doesn't yet meet our notability requirements. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Further comment -- We cannot assume she wrote the blurb in the Newsletter herself, and if she did, ultimately the editor of the California Writers Club Fremont Branch newsletter, "Nancy Guarnera, Editor-in-Chief InkSpots," is the one who publishes, edits, writes the newsletter and mentions how she may make exceptions meaning she has to approve, "Please keep in mind that word length for creative submissions is 1,000 max. I may make occasional exceptions to this." And this bio is not only in the Newsletter, but on the California Writers Club Fremont Branch member bios section where it does not mention members write and upload their own bio, etc. Also, the sources from the Spectator newspaper of Chabot College, and Alameda County Library are not closely related to Angelica G. Allen. Also, the California State University, East Bay 40 Under 40 Award Bio is independent as well, no where does it mention on the source a means to see otherwise (please see sources listed above, below and on Angelica G. Allen's wiki). Anonymous g Anonymous ( talk) 06:53, 14 November 2021 "2020 Award Recipients". Cal State University East Bay. Retrieved 2021-09-02.</ref> [2] [3] [4]
- Delete - None of the sourcing in the article, nor the collapsed dump of links establishes notability. My own search turns up nothing usable. -- Whpq ( talk) 02:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete References fail to establish notability, insufficient 3rd-party reliable significant refs--
rsjaffe
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19:55, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- And looking at User:Anonymous g Anonymous's history, I assume that user is the subject of this article. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 19:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Public Catalog". Copyright Office. Search for txu002183122 Search by Registration Number. Retrieved 2021-09-04.
- ^ . "AC Library". Bibliocommons. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
- ^ . "Member Bios". CWC-fremontareawriters.org. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
- ^ "The Spectator April 18,2013". issu.com. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 00:35, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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Non-notable writer, lack of independent coverage in reliable sources. ( t · c) buidhe 09:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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I have received your request for deletion and provided more sources below to keep and not delete article. (If you'd like me to put them in MediaWiki format, please let me know):
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous g anonymous ( talk • contribs) 12:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not notable -- I do not believe her list of publications is enough to make her notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @ Anonymous g anonymous: None of those sources count towards the subject's notability. To count towards notability, sources must be reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject. None of your sources satisfy all three of these requirements. Mlb96 ( talk) 19:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment @
Mlb96: How are the sources from
California Writers Club sub-division for Fremont not
reliable,
independent of the subject, and contain
significant coverage of the subject? And the
Copyright Law of the United States for her U.S. Copyright.
[1]
- Comment. She appears to have written the blurb from the California Writers Club newsletter herself, so it's not independent. ("If you have an accomplishment related to your writing, or some other aspect of your life, and would like to share it with FAW members in this space...") The copyright entry is a primary source, so also doesn't support notability. pburka ( talk) 21:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ms. Allen is a member of the California Writers Club, so it is not independent of the subject. The document from the Copyright Office is a primary source, and primary sources don't count towards notability either. Mlb96 ( talk) 01:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Further comment -- The issue is not whether the content of the article is true (which it probably is), but whether the subject is notable. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
clpo13(
talk)
22:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I've looked at the sources provided and searched for coverage on my own, and my view is that the only sourcing available is too closely connected to Allen or her works to satisfy the WP:GNG: there's no in-depth secondary coverage. While I'm sure she's an accomplished young author, she doesn't yet meet our notability requirements. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Further comment -- We cannot assume she wrote the blurb in the Newsletter herself, and if she did, ultimately the editor of the California Writers Club Fremont Branch newsletter, "Nancy Guarnera, Editor-in-Chief InkSpots," is the one who publishes, edits, writes the newsletter and mentions how she may make exceptions meaning she has to approve, "Please keep in mind that word length for creative submissions is 1,000 max. I may make occasional exceptions to this." And this bio is not only in the Newsletter, but on the California Writers Club Fremont Branch member bios section where it does not mention members write and upload their own bio, etc. Also, the sources from the Spectator newspaper of Chabot College, and Alameda County Library are not closely related to Angelica G. Allen. Also, the California State University, East Bay 40 Under 40 Award Bio is independent as well, no where does it mention on the source a means to see otherwise (please see sources listed above, below and on Angelica G. Allen's wiki). Anonymous g Anonymous ( talk) 06:53, 14 November 2021 "2020 Award Recipients". Cal State University East Bay. Retrieved 2021-09-02.</ref> [2] [3] [4]
- Delete - None of the sourcing in the article, nor the collapsed dump of links establishes notability. My own search turns up nothing usable. -- Whpq ( talk) 02:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete References fail to establish notability, insufficient 3rd-party reliable significant refs--
rsjaffe
🗩
🖉
19:55, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- And looking at User:Anonymous g Anonymous's history, I assume that user is the subject of this article. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 19:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Public Catalog". Copyright Office. Search for txu002183122 Search by Registration Number. Retrieved 2021-09-04.
- ^ . "AC Library". Bibliocommons. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
- ^ . "Member Bios". CWC-fremontareawriters.org. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
- ^ "The Spectator April 18,2013". issu.com. Retrieved 2021-11-14.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.