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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Za wl 10:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Ana Del Rey
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No evidence of notability. Links to two apparently non-notable films (redlinks). Only reference is to IMDb. The editor who deprodded said "starring roles in long-running TV series strongly suggests sufficient notability" but I can't see the evidence of "starring roles in long-running TV series" and nothing is obvious from a Google search. David Biddulph ( talk) 14:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. While IMDB is not by our standards a 'reliable source', it shows Del Ray appearing in 77 episodes of La pecera de Eva, 6 episodes of Muñecas, and 263 episodes of Acacias 38, in which she is listed first in the cast. I believe that justifies more investigation. --
Michig (
talk) 14:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Of course I'll be happy with further investigation. At first glance none of the series which you mention have been considered notable, but if reliable sources can be found to demonstrate that the subject satifies WP:NACTOR or otherwise satisfies WP:GNG then of course there would be a case to retain the article. The original creator of the article didn't mention any of those series, but this may be another demonstration that the editor concerned has a lot to learn. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 14:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Strong delete Wikipedia guidelines are that all articles need to be verified. That means having reliable sources, which IMDb is not. Beyond that, we have especially strong guidelines for biographies of living people. This person is a living person. There are no sources at all. We should delete the article with speed. There is no evidence that the film and TV show are notable. There is no evidence on them at all. Beyond that, it is unclear that Del Rey had in any way significant roles in either performance, since we have no reliable sourcing at all. Unless we have reliable sourcing, we should not create such empty biographies of people, especially living people. Wikipedia has a horrible problem of biographies sourced only to IMDb, and little evidence that this situation is going to improve. We cannot keep such non-sourced biographies on living people. It is just not justifiable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- How predictable. Poorly sourced article, so Mr Lambert chips in with his usual rant about IMDB, and decides it must be deleted irrespective of notability. This is really getting beyond disruptive. -- Michig ( talk) 18:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hear Hear! johnpacklambert has a hard on for IMDB for some reason; it's not been banned as a reliable Wikipedia source last I checked. Rsarlls ( talk) 23:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Has clearly had significant roles in major TV series, and is clearly a celebrity in Spain. -- Michig ( talk) 10:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Anyone here edit in Spanish? Spanish Wikipedia has an article about her, and about her TV series, but needs a redirect from "Anita del Rey" ( a red link in
Acacias 38) to
her article. It would be helpful to create that redirect but I'm not familiar with editing on Spanish wiki. I've just created the corresponding redirect here on English wiki.
Pam
D 10:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't speak Spanish but I think es:Anita del Rey, which I've just created, has done the trick. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 11:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- David Biddulph, just curious, as you AfD'd this article why did you create an article of the same topic in another language WP? -- Oakshade ( talk) 01:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did not do so, @ Oakshade:. If you look, you'll see that I merely created the redirect from es:Anita del Rey to the already existing article es:Ana del Rey. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 03:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: There now appear to be several acceptable sources.-- Ipigott ( talk) 16:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - One of the stars of multiple notional television shows. Sources found (not surprisingly) demonstrate passing notability guidelines.-- Oakshade ( talk) 19:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources have been added, she meets WP:BASIC. Sam Sailor 10:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - A quick google search yielded many RS on del Rey. Sources added demonstrate notability. Thsmi002 ( talk) 12:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although I can't speak Spanish at all, from the article I regard it both verifiable and notable, since she played major roles in some notable Spanish television shows.-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 18:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: The sources are enough. Kenny34568 ( talk) 20:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This article has plenty of sources. Subject has played major roles in several notable Spanish television shows. Lacypaperclip ( talk) 03:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Za wl 10:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Ana Del Rey
- Ana Del Rey ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
No evidence of notability. Links to two apparently non-notable films (redlinks). Only reference is to IMDb. The editor who deprodded said "starring roles in long-running TV series strongly suggests sufficient notability" but I can't see the evidence of "starring roles in long-running TV series" and nothing is obvious from a Google search. David Biddulph ( talk) 14:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. While IMDB is not by our standards a 'reliable source', it shows Del Ray appearing in 77 episodes of La pecera de Eva, 6 episodes of Muñecas, and 263 episodes of Acacias 38, in which she is listed first in the cast. I believe that justifies more investigation. --
Michig (
talk) 14:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Of course I'll be happy with further investigation. At first glance none of the series which you mention have been considered notable, but if reliable sources can be found to demonstrate that the subject satifies WP:NACTOR or otherwise satisfies WP:GNG then of course there would be a case to retain the article. The original creator of the article didn't mention any of those series, but this may be another demonstration that the editor concerned has a lot to learn. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 14:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss fortune 15:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss fortune 15:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss fortune 15:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss fortune 15:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Happy New Year!!! Baby miss fortune 15:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Strong delete Wikipedia guidelines are that all articles need to be verified. That means having reliable sources, which IMDb is not. Beyond that, we have especially strong guidelines for biographies of living people. This person is a living person. There are no sources at all. We should delete the article with speed. There is no evidence that the film and TV show are notable. There is no evidence on them at all. Beyond that, it is unclear that Del Rey had in any way significant roles in either performance, since we have no reliable sourcing at all. Unless we have reliable sourcing, we should not create such empty biographies of people, especially living people. Wikipedia has a horrible problem of biographies sourced only to IMDb, and little evidence that this situation is going to improve. We cannot keep such non-sourced biographies on living people. It is just not justifiable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- How predictable. Poorly sourced article, so Mr Lambert chips in with his usual rant about IMDB, and decides it must be deleted irrespective of notability. This is really getting beyond disruptive. -- Michig ( talk) 18:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hear Hear! johnpacklambert has a hard on for IMDB for some reason; it's not been banned as a reliable Wikipedia source last I checked. Rsarlls ( talk) 23:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Has clearly had significant roles in major TV series, and is clearly a celebrity in Spain. -- Michig ( talk) 10:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Anyone here edit in Spanish? Spanish Wikipedia has an article about her, and about her TV series, but needs a redirect from "Anita del Rey" ( a red link in
Acacias 38) to
her article. It would be helpful to create that redirect but I'm not familiar with editing on Spanish wiki. I've just created the corresponding redirect here on English wiki.
Pam
D 10:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't speak Spanish but I think es:Anita del Rey, which I've just created, has done the trick. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 11:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- David Biddulph, just curious, as you AfD'd this article why did you create an article of the same topic in another language WP? -- Oakshade ( talk) 01:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did not do so, @ Oakshade:. If you look, you'll see that I merely created the redirect from es:Anita del Rey to the already existing article es:Ana del Rey. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 03:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: There now appear to be several acceptable sources.-- Ipigott ( talk) 16:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - One of the stars of multiple notional television shows. Sources found (not surprisingly) demonstrate passing notability guidelines.-- Oakshade ( talk) 19:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources have been added, she meets WP:BASIC. Sam Sailor 10:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - A quick google search yielded many RS on del Rey. Sources added demonstrate notability. Thsmi002 ( talk) 12:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Although I can't speak Spanish at all, from the article I regard it both verifiable and notable, since she played major roles in some notable Spanish television shows.-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 18:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: The sources are enough. Kenny34568 ( talk) 20:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This article has plenty of sources. Subject has played major roles in several notable Spanish television shows. Lacypaperclip ( talk) 03:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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