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The result was keep, per the nominator withdrawing their vote. ( non-admin closure) Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 16:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Allen Forrest
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Does not seem to meet any of the notability criteria in
WP:NMG
Geogene (
talk) 02:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as nominator - I disapprove of using Wikipedia for promotion, canvassing a link to this page on Twitter, using one's staff to edit Wikipedia on your behalf, and of creating new accounts to avoid blocks, but iHeart radio counts as national radio play, fulfilling the notability criteria. Geogene ( talk) 00:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA 1000 11:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - self-advertisement by relentless self-promoter. The "sourcing" includes Wikipedia articles, Youtube videos, and the subject's own Tumblr feed. -- Orange Mike | Talk 07:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Geogene. Kevin Rutherford recommended that I delete responses with only an IP address and to ask the community to help me proper maintain my wikipedia page. So I'm asking will you guys help me properly edit my wikipedia page so it doesn't come across as a self promoting page? I honestly had no idea that it came across in that manner. Thank you for keeping me as a nominator and letting me to continue use this wikipage. -- TheRealAllenForrest ( talk) 02:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Newspaper Article. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 02:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
- You've misquoted at least some of the above. There's an EXCEPT before the part about press releases. PR's aren't normally a reliable source or an indicator of notability, and that article is full of them? Why? Possibly because anyone can issue a press release. Geogene ( talk) 20:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] Does his Billboard Magazine article not count that is a major publication that is reliable for entertainment news?
Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
He was featured on the front page of his hometown newspaper for his craft it doesn't get no bigger than that where's from?
Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network iHeartRadio now functions as both a music recommender system and a radio network that aggregates audio content from over 800 local Clear Channel radio stations across the United States, as well as hundreds of other stations and various other media
-J
I see Allen posted his national promotions confirmation from a radio network of over 800 local stations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessica Cohen ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Geogene: Here's my confirmation letter from Iheart Media confirming my national promotions.
Since Geogene acknowledges that I do meet the criteria of nobility. (with the respect for my partners privacy I'm taking this email confirmation down. I already emailed Kevin both copies of each month the singles were played. so please contact him or personally contact me and I will gladly provide you with the information needed.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEPFrom a small town like Dothan Alabama he has so many accomplishments. If I named all of them I would be writing all day. He was someone that had a dream and never gave up. Just to name a few of his accomplishments: Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. iHeart Radio. He is a pillar of his community and young kids and adults look up to him. I'm in GA and I have definitely heard his music numerous time on the Radio Hot 107.9 — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
146.1.1.3 (
talk) 19:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP Allen Forrest more than meets the minimum criteria for notability according to the Wikipedia guidelines. His biography is featured on MTV.com and Billboard.com
http://www.mtv.com/artists/allen-forrest/biography/
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/267959/matchstik His music video "Possessed" charted #68 on Radio Wave Monitor on 6/19/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by StuntMan2001 ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP
When FoxNews.com contributor Hollie McKay wrote an article on the rap industry and its impact on women’s issues, Allen Forrest was sought and quoted due to his notability within the industry. This article was vetted by the Fox News Digital Media team. Link to article: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/12/eminem-violent-lyrics-toward-lana-del-rey-slammed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B128:CFF:4F3E:8CC7:1F6B:15EF ( talk) 21:11, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP Allen Forrest is a talented musician, producer and entertainer. Attempts to discredit him are based the false premise that he is not a celebrity. While the extent of his popularity is subject to opinion, Allen Forrest is well known and respected in the entertainment industry and meets all of the requirements for his own article. Further, deletion of any article based on unsubstantiated claims, greatly undermines the mission Wikipedia seeks to accomplish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.96.186 ( talk) 20:34, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the IPs sure are busy here today. Also, simply being a celebrity isn't the same as having notability for WP purposes. Geogene ( talk) 20:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Keep Hi Geogene I've received emails from my staff today that you are wanting to delete my wiki page. On what grounds do my page not follow under the guidelines of wikipedia for nobility for musicians? It only requires you to have "ONE" of the following from the policy which I have several of the requirements.? You are looking to judge me for a few mistakes I made a few years ago which I no longer do when I was attempting to create a page for myself and didn't know the rules of wikipedia which I'm very much aware of them now... if you need any national radio verification I can send you any proof and that you need. I will email you all the confirmations from Iheart Media or contacts that you need... and you can also contact them as well and they will verify that they have promoted two of my singles nationally on iHeart Radio as a featured artist for the month of January and the month of June as well as the other 13 singles they promoted from my label last year.
Thank you so much for your time.
God bless,
-AF — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep, per the nominator withdrawing their vote. ( non-admin closure) Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 16:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Allen Forrest
- Allen Forrest ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Does not seem to meet any of the notability criteria in
WP:NMG
Geogene (
talk) 02:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as nominator - I disapprove of using Wikipedia for promotion, canvassing a link to this page on Twitter, using one's staff to edit Wikipedia on your behalf, and of creating new accounts to avoid blocks, but iHeart radio counts as national radio play, fulfilling the notability criteria. Geogene ( talk) 00:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA 1000 11:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA 1000 11:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - self-advertisement by relentless self-promoter. The "sourcing" includes Wikipedia articles, Youtube videos, and the subject's own Tumblr feed. -- Orange Mike | Talk 07:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Geogene. Kevin Rutherford recommended that I delete responses with only an IP address and to ask the community to help me proper maintain my wikipedia page. So I'm asking will you guys help me properly edit my wikipedia page so it doesn't come across as a self promoting page? I honestly had no idea that it came across in that manner. Thank you for keeping me as a nominator and letting me to continue use this wikipage. -- TheRealAllenForrest ( talk) 02:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Newspaper Article. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 02:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
- You've misquoted at least some of the above. There's an EXCEPT before the part about press releases. PR's aren't normally a reliable source or an indicator of notability, and that article is full of them? Why? Possibly because anyone can issue a press release. Geogene ( talk) 20:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] Does his Billboard Magazine article not count that is a major publication that is reliable for entertainment news?
Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
He was featured on the front page of his hometown newspaper for his craft it doesn't get no bigger than that where's from?
Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network iHeartRadio now functions as both a music recommender system and a radio network that aggregates audio content from over 800 local Clear Channel radio stations across the United States, as well as hundreds of other stations and various other media
-J
I see Allen posted his national promotions confirmation from a radio network of over 800 local stations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessica Cohen ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Geogene: Here's my confirmation letter from Iheart Media confirming my national promotions.
Since Geogene acknowledges that I do meet the criteria of nobility. (with the respect for my partners privacy I'm taking this email confirmation down. I already emailed Kevin both copies of each month the singles were played. so please contact him or personally contact me and I will gladly provide you with the information needed.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEPFrom a small town like Dothan Alabama he has so many accomplishments. If I named all of them I would be writing all day. He was someone that had a dream and never gave up. Just to name a few of his accomplishments: Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. iHeart Radio. He is a pillar of his community and young kids and adults look up to him. I'm in GA and I have definitely heard his music numerous time on the Radio Hot 107.9 — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
146.1.1.3 (
talk) 19:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP Allen Forrest more than meets the minimum criteria for notability according to the Wikipedia guidelines. His biography is featured on MTV.com and Billboard.com
http://www.mtv.com/artists/allen-forrest/biography/
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/267959/matchstik His music video "Possessed" charted #68 on Radio Wave Monitor on 6/19/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by StuntMan2001 ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP
When FoxNews.com contributor Hollie McKay wrote an article on the rap industry and its impact on women’s issues, Allen Forrest was sought and quoted due to his notability within the industry. This article was vetted by the Fox News Digital Media team. Link to article: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/12/eminem-violent-lyrics-toward-lana-del-rey-slammed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B128:CFF:4F3E:8CC7:1F6B:15EF ( talk) 21:11, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
KEEP Allen Forrest is a talented musician, producer and entertainer. Attempts to discredit him are based the false premise that he is not a celebrity. While the extent of his popularity is subject to opinion, Allen Forrest is well known and respected in the entertainment industry and meets all of the requirements for his own article. Further, deletion of any article based on unsubstantiated claims, greatly undermines the mission Wikipedia seeks to accomplish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.96.186 ( talk) 20:34, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, the IPs sure are busy here today. Also, simply being a celebrity isn't the same as having notability for WP purposes. Geogene ( talk) 20:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Keep Hi Geogene I've received emails from my staff today that you are wanting to delete my wiki page. On what grounds do my page not follow under the guidelines of wikipedia for nobility for musicians? It only requires you to have "ONE" of the following from the policy which I have several of the requirements.? You are looking to judge me for a few mistakes I made a few years ago which I no longer do when I was attempting to create a page for myself and didn't know the rules of wikipedia which I'm very much aware of them now... if you need any national radio verification I can send you any proof and that you need. I will email you all the confirmations from Iheart Media or contacts that you need... and you can also contact them as well and they will verify that they have promoted two of my singles nationally on iHeart Radio as a featured artist for the month of January and the month of June as well as the other 13 singles they promoted from my label last year.
Thank you so much for your time.
God bless,
-AF — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealAllenForrest ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.